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The Classic in which the 3-y-o finished runner-up was indeed the St Leger. He was beaten 1½ lengths.
The older horse ran down the field in a Derby earlier in the decade. In a subsequent season he won a race which now offers higher prize money than any other handicap run in Europe.
Total punt but was the older horse Sea Pigeon? (Was the 15f race at Ayr as they are one of a handful of tracks with a long established 15f start)
Don’t know the 3YO.
The older horse was Sea Pigeon. Well done for getting that without me having to mention his glittering hurdles career.
The race took place at Ayr.
Can’t claim much credit as only an intensive Googling unearthed the answer
Le Moss
Thanks to poster ‘Big Dipper’ on the Digital Spy forum:
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1642119&page=108
Le Moss – absolutely top class stayer. Finished 2nd in the 1978 St Leger. Won the stayers’ treble of the Ascot Gold Cup, Goodwood Cup & Doncaster Cup in both 1979 & 1980.
(In 1978 Le Moss went to Ayr to contest the Tennent Trophy over 15f and beat Sea Pigeon (then aged 8) a neck getting 27lb. This was arguably Sea Pigeon’s best ever performance on the flat.)
Another fine puzzler Seasider, do pose another if you like
Drone and Katie win a prize each. It’s a virtual prize so they’ll never receive it. Still, it’s the thought that counts.
I didn’t see the Ayr race and know nothing about it except for the bare facts. When you consider what both horses went on to achieve – Sea Pigeon hauling 10st around York to win the 1979 Ebor, still a record weight carrying performance for the race, plus a couple of Champion Hurdles, and Le Moss winning the races described above – I find it difficult to decide which horse put up the better run in the Tennent Trophy.
Which Cheltenham race was once won by a horse, jockey and trainer who all shared the same initials.
In the case of the trainer the initials represent his first and second christian names. With the rider it’s the first christian name and the surname.
The race is run at the Festival. It has had four sponsors since 2006 but the horse/jockey/trainer combination won the contest when it was unsponsored and went by its original name.
As there are only 28 races to choose from I’m going to move the goalposts and ask for the initials as well.
Well done smallbutmighty
Hubbard’s initials are GA and the horse was named after him.
Looking back on the history of this quiz it seems the main issue is question setting. Or lack of same. I’ve got a few more up my sleeve and am prepared to post them here with the caveat that others are clearly welcome to jump in at any time. I hope that’s all OK.
I’ve got a picture question to post later this evening unless another participant comes in first.
Smallbutmighty = a her actually
Delighted to get one correct against these brains. Don’t have a question ready (and Strictly Final taking precedence tonight) so go ahead and put up a new question in my absence and perhaps I can take a later turn?Fascinating thread though,learnt lots and interested to see mention of Primitive Rising racing, he went on to be a sire of World class event horses.
Ah I’ve got it I’m pretty sure. I’m only halfway to formulating my question though so won’t say for now in case anyone else wants a go at answering.
good puzzle seasider
Ah I’ve got it I’m pretty sure. I’m only halfway to formulating my question though so won’t say for now in case anyone else wants a go at answering.
good puzzle seasider
Point taken sbm. No clues until you post again.
Concerning flying horses
Until the back end of the 19th century, most paintings or drawings of racehorses at a gallop depicted them with the front legs extended forwards, hind legs extended to the rear, and all hooves off the ground. As per the linked artwork in the question.
This was because the human eye couldn’t break down the action of the gallop. It was just too quick. The invention of photography shed some light on what was really happening. A photographer named Eadweard Muybridge set up a series of cameras in a line along the side of the track to capture images of a horse in fast motion. Putting these images together he proved that while a horse did have all its hooves off the ground at some point during the gallop, it didn’t happen as imagined by contemporary artists and illustrators. Rather, it happened when its legs were collected beneath its body as it switched from pulling with the front legs to pushing with the hind legs. See this gif:
Following this discovery, later artists painted galloping horses in the manner shown to be correct by Muybridge.
Name the winner. It’s not as difficult as it might first seem and the question could be answered in 5 minutes. Or 5 days. I just don’t know.
Eager?
Did the word skyscraper actually exist in the 18th century, or was it just a clever, fabricated name given to a son of Highflyer?
Skyscraper, Waxy and Daedalus were all Derby winners in the last decade or so of that century. Where was Icarus?
Those paintings of racehorses back then are amusing and actually rather inelegant; and whilst the true gallop of racehorses is complex and would be near-impossible to draw without the aid of photographs it is surely obvious to the naked eye that horses don’t ‘bound’ like dogs and cats. I feel sure the artists knew their interpretation was wrong but didn’t know what else to do, so ‘made do’
Not Eager, Drone.
Wikipedia offers the following explanation for the naming of Skyscraper.
“Skyscraper was given his name, which is thought to refer to his height, by the Duke of Bedford’s racing friend Ralph Dutton. The name also echoes that of his sire, Highflyer.
The word ‘skyscraper’ was first applied to a building when it was used to describe the Home Insurance Building, Chicago, completed in 1884. However, the word had an earlier nautical meaning, referring to an upper sail of a tall ship.”
So you are either partially or wholly correct.
I can’t help with Icarus, which would have made an apt name for a son of Daedalus. However, there is no mention of any son of Daedalus in the General Stud Book. Again, that’s from Wikipedia.
Delighted to get one correct against these brains. Don’t have a question ready (and Strictly Final taking precedence tonight) so go ahead and put up a new question in my absence and perhaps I can take a later turn?
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