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  • #748
    clivex
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    What is so intriguing about the current crop of top hurdlers is how much contrast in styles there is between the leading contenders. You couldnt make it up….

    For this race im tempted by Hardy at 4’s . He seems rejuvenated this year and whilst BI is the most likely one to battle to the line…the 6/5 leaves me cold

    Not and Iktitaff fan. Has ability… but resolution? Macs joy and asian maze have a few too many questions to answer this time around

    #36717
    Aragorn
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    I think i’ll wait until the day of the race.. If Macs Joy looks fit and ready and there’s no "coming on for the run" i’ll back him.. For me he’s a bit too quick for BI on the flatter track.. If he’s carrying condition BI will win

    #36718
    Aidan
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    Brave Inca beat Macs Joy a few times last season on different tracks…how does that make MJ a bit "quicker"? Brave Inca will not only prove he is too tough for them….but simply too good for them.

    #36719
    davidjohnson
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    Perhaps he means that when the emphasis is on speed at 2m. i.e on good going or faster, Macs Joy would probably get from A to B faster than Brave Inca. I’s agree with that. Though such conditions are unlikely to prevail on Sunday and with Macs Joy returning from an absence, Brave Inca is the one to beat.

    #36720
    Aidan
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    Brave Inca has beaten Macs Joy on good ground twice at Cheltenham….still does not stand up. Because Brave Inca does not race as flashy as Macs Joy does not mean he is slower, just lazier.

    #36721
    davidjohnson
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    Since when has Cheltenham placed a particular emphasis on speed at 2m?

    #36722
    clivex
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    MJ surely has the quicker turn of foot? And isnt there a feeling that MJ isnt exactly suited by the uphill slog to the line at Cheltenham?

    I doubt if MJ will beat BI on Sunday, for the reasons DJ states, but a steady pace good grd flat 2 miles…different matter

    #36723
    Aragorn
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    Aidan, flatter track? Cheltenham? :o  

    I’m not saying he’s a better horse, for me there is very little between them, I thought last year at cheltenham the jockey (geraghty I think, can’t be bothered to look)  should have gone earlier on Macs Joy as once you get into a battle with BI there tends to be only one winner. Punchestown proved that on a flat track with the right tactics MJ is just as good.

    But Sunday given the lay off I’m not really tempted to back him unless he turns up looking a million dollars

    #36724
    Aidan
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    Brave Inca has beaten Macs Joy at Punchestown and Leopardstown also. Punchestown proved nothing…end of a long season where Brave Inca was on the go for a long long time.

    #36725
    Aragorn
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    I’ve made this point before but i’ll make it again, they ran the same number of times last year. So it’s not really an excuse.

    And like I said I think they’re basically the same in terms of ability. MJ slightly better turn of foot, BI stays and battles better. Round punchestown I think MJ would win 6 or 7 of 10, the reverse if they were running round cheltenham. The hill suits BI better as it nullifies MJ’s turn of foot somewhat.. If I had to stake my life on it, i’d probably side with BI, but at the prices and as my life isn;t on the line i’ll take MJ

    #36726
    dave 22
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    In my opinion macs joy wont be fully wound up, even if he has done alot of work at home because he is being aimed at the champion. i think he will run a big race but end up 3rd or 4th. i cant really see asian maze winning. iktitaf will run a big race, but i dont think he has the bottle to out battle brave inca and hardy eustace, and i think hardy eustace may just show brave inca he still has it

    #36727
    clivex
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    Wouldnt suprise me at all if Macs joy’s fine trainer had him close to his best. Would need to be if this is his last run before cheltenham

    #36728
    dave 22
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    just looked at macs joys form and he has never won first time out even when fancied

    #36729
    Aragorn
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    Dave, sorry to be pedantic but he won his ever race, he also won first time out over hurdles in 2004, admittedly after a run on the flat..

    Clive, they may run him in the red mills, although I don’t think he gets 20f, but if he needs it, it’s an option.

    #36730
    dave 22
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    ok, i will give you first time out ever, but a race on the flat got him fully fit for his return to jumping. i really dont think he will win on sunday. his trainer wants him peaking at cheltenham, although i dont think he will win that either as he is best on a flat track. his race will be at Punchestown in april again

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