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Zarkava and Gerald what did you guys think of ST Nicholas Abbey today i thought what a outstanding performance by him.And he will get better next year.
Are there any horses out there to stop him winning the Derby.
Darren, you don’t take any notice of my tips do you?
I am absolutely lousy.
Was rather tired from the Australian racing and was concentrating on doing the results for the Timeform competition.
Might have got him mixed up with another horse in another race but I didn’t like him being hot under the saddle, and I thought he was a bit small, but that may just be because he was getting smaller and further away as he crossed the finishing line.
Having said that, I too like Zarkava would stop betting on the Derby, if I had started in the first place.
If you had had £1.99 @ 70 for the 2000 just like your Uncle Gerald, then you wouldn’t be worrying too much about him going for the Guineas.
Gerald’s Derby Tip will be announced at Christmastide.
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I flagged the Oxx horse (it’s on here somewhere) after his debut, Darren, so will be interested to see how he runs.
I’m trying to work out what exactly Ballydoyle will do in the Guineas. They’re going to be doing their absolute damndest to get a Guineas-Derby winner into Coolmore asap to ‘nullify’ the lure of Sea The Stars.
The problem is, Sir Nicholas Abbey cannot win the Guineas. He just can’t. He’s so stoutly bred and there’s simply no way he’ll have enough speed. But that doesn’t mean they’ll stop him trying. So it’ll be another situation like Rock of Gibraltar vs Hawk Wing or George Washington vs Horatio Nelson. I think.
Viscount Nelson – Poulains/Prix du Jockey Club
Steinbeck – 2000/Irish 2000
St. Nicholas Abbey – 2000 Gns or Derrinstown/Derbyis surely the route they’ll take.
Apparently there is a rumour, which refuses to die, that Sheikh Mo has bought Sea The Stars for 100,000,000 but I’ve forgotten the currency.
Apparently there is a rumour, which refuses to die, that Sheikh Mo has bought Sea The Stars for 100,000,000 but I’ve forgotten the currency.
He goes into training for a 4yo campaign with Godolphin straight away. After a few early season sighters down the field in the Tatts Gold Cup, the Eclipse and the King George, I’m sure they’ll find a nice listed race at Windsor in August/September to win with him.
Okay Darren, but it will only be a regurgitation of what is about anyway.
I’ve got Tuesday off as holiday, so I’ll do them then.
They won’t be as good as my Showcasing and Kingsfort efforts though.
Nibani’s down to run in a maiden at Nottingham but I’ve laid off £2 at 110s. I had far too much on him, I was looking for a big-priced horse with a realistic Derby shout since nothing else was shouting out. I think it’s only about £7 I had on him but that’s still sort of 350% of most of my other bets.
I’ve re-invested that £2 in Sent From Heaven in the 1000 Guineas at 120s. I mean what an utterly ridiculous price. She just needs to grow up a bit more. Hills will take the edge off her in the Rockfel and then she can run riot on the Rowley Mile. Lady Darshaan and Hibaayeb I don’t think will have enough pace to take on the likes of Sent For Heaven and Special Duty so I’m happy to commit to the Hills filly as my final pick.
Steinbeck’s my 2000 Guineas pick and I have no Derby pick since St. Nick will win.
Jan Vermeer won well today did any of you see that race today and did any of you guys back him.
Though he would not beat ST Nicholas Abbey in the Derby i think he can come 2nd or 3rd next year.
First of all lets say well done to Zarkava who mentioned this horse Months before his debut. Hope you were rewarded for that today at 10/1.
Was very impressive…..however conditions hindered the rest. He loves that ground by the looks of things. I can’t see him beating St Nick as i am sure Coolmore will go Derby then Irish Derby route if he wins. Jan Vermeer could be a horse for races 1m2f over soft conditions.
It will be incredibly hard to predict what he could do at the top level but a Group 1 winner and a easy one at that has to be respected.
I thought about backing him today but i choose not to so gutted i am
Be intresting to hear from Zarkava can this horse beat ST Nicholas Abbey i say no.But what do you think now Zarkava.One reason why i do not think he beat ST Nich is this horse is a front runner and i don’t know if this in your trends Zarkava.But how many front runners have won the Epsom Derby and who was the last one to do it.
Did any of you guys see Timepiece win at Newmarket yesterday. Cecil sends his best 2yo filly to this race he sent Midday last year and and sent Passage Of time as well.
Where has Zarkava gone i like to know thoughts on Jan Vermeer.
And Gerald you said you do profiles on Steinbeck and ST Nicholas Abbey.Though not seen them yet.
This really ain’t my thing Darren.
I am not a judge of horseflesh.
The last two horses I was asked to do profiles of were Kirklees and Cima De Triomphe, and they both turned out to be non-runners.
One interesting thing is instead of them being Coolmore homrebreds, they were bought at public auction.
The only angle I’ve got on the 2000 Guineas is the thing about Stamina Indices.
Steinbeck (IRE)
2-y-o (09Feb07 b c)
Footstepsinthesand — Castara Beach (IRE) (Danehill (USA) (9.1f))Foostepsinthesand hasn’t had any 3yos, so he doesn’t have a stamina index yet. The one I gave him, 9.0f, is probably a bit low, as he has got Rainbow Quest and the plodder Green Dancer in his pedigree.
On the bottom side of Steinbeck’s pedigree, in the fourth quarter, are both Grundy and Ribot, so Steinbeck is likely to stay a bit better than the figures of 9.0 (provisional) and 9.1f suggest.http://www.pedigreequery.com/steinbeck4
Steinbeck has quite a bit on stamina, judged by his Conduit Mare Profile
Conduit Mare Profile = 3-7-2-11-5 Speed = 10 Stamina = 16 Index = 0.65 Triads = 12-20-18
I’ll let other people argue about the merit of the run in the Dewhurst, and I’ll read it with interest. One thing I am interested in is that O’Brien tends to send horses to the Guineas without a prep run; Steinbeck has only had two runs so far – will he know what is expected of him, or will he lose the race from inexperience?
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St Nicholas Abbey (IRE)
2-y-o (13Apr07 b c)
Montjeu (IRE) (11.6f) — Leaping Water (Sure Blade (USA) (10.1f))SNA has enough stamina for the Guineas – indeed Nick Mordin has quite a lot to say against him and Montjeu for the Guineas, if you look at his website.
The combined stamina index of 21.7 fits well inside the range of 19-23f for Derby winners.
I don’t really have anything to say about the horse.
Mordin is worried about the horse’s long stride coming down the hill, but I’m not convinced by that.
His dam’s GSV is 67.3 and those of Derby winning dams are 68+. However, I wouldn’t take too much notice of that as the figures are from 2005, and the originator has modified the figures since then. However, it does give us windmill tilters a glimmer of excuse to try to find a horse to oppose him in the Derby with.
Rather perfunctory, but my heart really ain’t into doing this.
One thing I am interested in is that O’Brien tends to send horses to the Guineas without a prep run; Steinbeck has only had two runs so far – will he know what is expected of him, or will he lose the race from inexperience?
I don’t think this will be a problem, Gerald. Footstepsinthesand went straight to the Guineas after two autumn runs as a 2yo.
Having experience of the Rowley Mile, something his sire did not have, is a plus for Steinbeck.
Golan, Mark of Esteem, Island Sands, Footstepsinthesand – class is far more important than experience in the Guineas.
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