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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Steeplechasing or I should say Dr Newland beat me to it with the thought about losing a length for an extra stroke.
    Is there any other sport that doesn’t punish a rule break for an unfair advantage.?
    and yet we go on year in year out about attracting new blood to watching the sport. Perhaps proper punishment might go a little way toward that.

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    Thanks for the congratulations folks. As Mark mentioned, being handy was definitely the place to be on that ground, avoided the chaos behind too. Glad they all returned in one piece as I was wincing once or twice.

    The Baron is a nice horse, prep run has him spot on and he jumped superbly in the main. Frodon is some horse lumping that weight round into second place!

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    Don’t punish Nath? They hand out bans and monetary fines do they not?

    It’s a bit like fouling a player and taking a yellow when you know he’s away to have a good chance at going 2 on 1 etc.

    I agree that more needs done but reversing places isn’t the way to do it, especially when stallion pages etc. can be skewed on the back of a jockey getting carried away with an extra stroke.

    I like the suggestion by Ralph Beckett where the jockey in question, if breaking the rules in a big race, will miss the next X amount of big race days (specified days made by the BHA).

    Thought the winner wouldn’t won regardless of the couple of extra cracks he got, was similar to the Native River GC one where he was responding well to it.

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    Avatar photoQuelle Farce
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    Extra penalty for whip abuse: Jockey barred from riding that horse ever again. In any race. Anywhere.

    Or…jockey has to use an old mop instead of a whip for his next 10 rides. Only allowed to use it (the mop) once per ride. The jockey would be embarrassed, would look silly, and few would wish to put him up on their horse with such an impediment. On reflection, I am all for this, embarrass them into compliance.

    Thrilling race. Superb effort by Frodon, barely mentioned in any previews ahead of the race.

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Don’t punish Nath? They hand out bans and monetary fines do they not?

    The jockey gets punished but I’d imagine in a lot of these handicaps they know the score and connections will look after them, especially the big gambling yards, When one is ready. Moore was on tv today he simply miscounted and I wouldn’t not believe him but I’m sure especially at Cheltenham it’s a win at all costs, the fine and ban is not a deterrent as connections will have it covered.

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    To me the best horse won. Jamie was using his whip excessively but hard to tell if any made contact and none certainly marked the horse which would be unexcusable in any circumstance. It was probably the excitement of winning, that he overused his whip. Irish racing doesn’t have this rule and their racing is fine, we should use their rules on this matter, in my opinion.

    You've got to accentuate the positive.
    Eliminate the negative.
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    I think you’re being very generous there Neil. He knew exactly what he was up too, they all do. It’s a major race, and currently, the jockeys don’t care about the rules in big races, flat or NH the same.

    Best suggestion I’ve seen, is make them miss the next ‘festival’ for their ban, for whip offences in any showcase races. This will stop it, without effecting the betting outcome.

    Do you think Jamie would have done it, if he was going to miss the entire Hennessy meeting as his ban? Or some one would infringe in the Racing Post trophy, if their ban would be the entire guineas meeting? I think not. I think they would all wise up and miraculously learn to count, sharpish.

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