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Appreciate that Steve.
I do “feel good”, satisfaction about working the race out is the same about getting the winner. Just can’t quite enjoy it as much when a favourite horse of mine finishes distressed.Value Is EverythingHaha ham first time I agree with you!!
Yea sizing John at 7/4 was a decent price and it went off evens I think so clearly the majority agreed.If there was any lemmings out there it was the lemmings backing Yorkhill at 7/2 or whatever it was.
As you say none of them had beaten SJ, SJ is on the improve if anything. 2nd fav was a false price and Djakadam is nowhere near good enough.
Road to riches won’t ever beat sizing John again aslong as SJ hasn’t suffered any ill affects of the post race observations
Gosh steve, what aload of nonsense, your posts can sometimes be constructive but goodness, do you dislike NH that much that everything is garbage, every horse is over rated, one bad race and there dogs, every grade 1 ran is “old welly”
Sizing john was not a rediculous price at 7/4, considering the second fav had never ran the distance and the 3rd fav he had hammered 4 times in a row,
Lemmings for taking 7/4 lol go back and wath reruns of the derby and enlighten us how that was tosh, id much rather read that, than read that utter garbage
If you were unable to see that SJ was never comfortable, maybe stick to the NFL
Jeez oh, that wasn’t a good renewal of the Lexus. Face the facts. Rank outsiders seeing off the favourites.
I never said Sizing John was a ridiculous price at 7/4, so get your facts straight for starters. I said the SP was ridiculous.
Christ I said in my post that Sizing John never looked comfortable.
This is a forum for opinions and there is no need for the “Utter garbage” jibe. Yet again, I get mauled freely but I get warned if I try to defend myself, as people reach for the “Report Post” button.
I am having an excellent season on the NFL by the way. That comes from hard work, instinct and not getting sentimental in any way about any teams in particular. People tend to get sentimental about horses and I think that’s a mistake if you want to maximise your profit.
I’ll watch and comment on what interests me and I will report things as I see them. If you want to call it garbage then I don’t see that as very nice. I was the first person to put up Might Bite on the King George thread, the second post on the thread. Not one person gave me a shred of credit for that. Still, it’s getting paid that matters and I hope to get paid on the horse again at Cheltenham. One guarantee is that there will be no excuses from me if he fails.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Well done Raymo and Ginger for clocking the potential with RTR, even despite the
understandably bad run by Sizing John it was well picked out
It has to be specific, MOM
However you do it, it certainly looks good.
Well done with Road To Respect.
Nobody gave you credit for Might Bite Winning?
Myself and others said ‘well done winners’. What do you want me to do? Go through the entire thread and reply to every single person who said he would win?
Come off it Steve. I congratulated all winners. That includes you.
the king george was no better than the lexus, probably worse as SJ had issues whereas the market principles just were not good enough in the KG, do you really think that beating double shuffle (151) a length justifies 4/1 favouritism in the gold cup? Really? Lol
And you said “the lemmings took 7/4” insinuating that was a foolish move, when infact taking 7/4 they could have comfortably got out in running with a small profit up until half way
R2R was not a rank outsider either, he had the credentials to go close.
If sizing john ran his race there would be no question of the winner but thats probably harsh on R2R but its probably true, but he didnt and the winner won well.Might bite is a shocking price for the GC off the back of the KG, if R2R is 12/1 why on earth is MB 4/1? Its a no brainer at this stage out of those two who is better value.
The NFL jibe was a joke steve, you seem to have a dislike for 99% of every race/horse/trainer in NH
I never congratulate those that pick a winner. It’s not meant and I don’t give a fck
Steve,
When calling other punters “lemmings” for backing a particular horse at a certain price, then it’s obvious you’re going to get some flack back about how you bet eg the “utter garbage” comment. Just like the rest of us should expect flack back about our betting when criticising others. Although must admit it is annoying when others quote and claim you’ve said something you haven’t. (Ham said something on this thread about what I’d said that I hadn’t) But it’s in all probability just a misunderstanding – I like to think nobody does it deliberately and we’ve all done it – even you.Am afraid it’ll always be that when tipping a favourite (like Might Bite) then there won’t be as much (if any) congratulations, and many TRFers don’t remember who tipped what at the start of a long thread… And those thought of as big heads like thee and me will get even less.
tbh Am coming around to your way of thinking, that Sizing John was a poor price – even though I backed him. Forgot all about saying on the John Durkan thread the Lexus could “come too soon” after a hard race. That, together with a possible virus in the yard (Jessie’s long losing run going back to SJ’s Durkan win) – good enough reasons for a poor run. No longer convinced about this “clinically abnormal” thing.
Just because a TRFer doesn’t get congratulated doesn’t mean their racing knowledge isn’t appreciated.
Try to let the frustrations go without reacting, mate. Not worth getting stressed.
Mark
Value Is EverythingI never congratulate those that pick a winner. It’s not meant and I don’t give a fck
Horses for courses, Clive and fair play to you for saying what many people probably feel.
I’m always happy to congratulate those who dig out something at a decent price because it is far from easy. You need a nose for that kind of thing and then the determination to put in the work to discover if what you’ve sniffed out is really a good bet. Then you’ve got to put together a compelling case for it and have the confidence to stick it up here for dissection by a lot of good judges.
Look at the graft Bobby puts in, and Ginger, and there are two or three others beginning to make a name for themselves here too. I think some of us have got a bit complacent about the quality of posts on TRF. Week after week through the season, you’ll find winners on here (losers too, of course, but it’s far and away the best collection of judges I’ve come across on a forum – at least judges who can express themselves and not fight too fiercely too often).
If I were new to this game, there are some on here I’d happily pay to read. Even fairly experienced punters could make a profit following a handful of TRF tipsters once they’d worked out how to interpret each tipster’s ‘style’.
Tipping decent-priced winners consistently enough to make a profit season after season is probably the toughest gig in punting. Ask Tom Segal.
A 2018 Big Races Tipping League would make an interesting thread.
great post steeple, couldn’t agree more some very decent posters on here and not to much back biting.
I thought most people knew what I mean by the term “Lemmings” but it seems not.
Not everyone who backs a particular horse are “Lemmings”, the term applies to those who could have had better odds on the horse, very often guaranteed best odds into the bargain, yet they don’t pull the trigger and end up waiting to see if there is market confidence. It’s like refusing 6/4 guaranteed odds earlier and then running like a headless chicken to take odds-on late in the day.
I don’t think there is much doubt that loads of punters are clueless, that doesn’t mean everyone who backs a horse is in the “Lemming” category, so there is no offence meant to anyone in particular, it’s just my generic term for people who seem to always end up with the worst price in the village when they could easily have snared better value.
For me, I had Sizing John as 2/1 to trigger a bet. The stable were not in peak form, he looked an average Gold Cup winner and I was not convinced he beat a lot on his previous start. Others though 7/4 was value and that’s fair enough. It is the combination of being willing to take odds-on, when better, perhaps guaranteed, odds could easily have been secured earlier, that I find to be “Lemming” like behaviour.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Very well said Joe.
TRF is one of the friendliest forums on the Internet and generally we all seem to gel well together.Steve did accused some of us of getting too sentimental about the horses that we back and for me that is a big hands up, guilty as charged and proud of it too.
These horses are not just throw away items to be ridiculed when they don’t step up on a certain occasion, they are highly tuned and prepared for each time they take a step onto a racecourse. They have no way of telling us that on this certain day they don’t feel up to the job ahead and it’s only when they run under par or make out of character mistakes that we suspect all is not well, sarcastic and derogatory remarks don’t hurt the horse but sometimes the poster who has put all his/her faith in the horse feels that those remarks are aimed at them and they want to defend their selection.We have lost so many beautiful horses this year, jockeys, ex-trainers and owners and I would like to just end this with a big thank you to each and every one of them for helping to make the sport what it is today for a fanatical racing fan like myself and most of us who post here on TRF
Jac x
Be nice to each other..Happy 2018Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...I’m with you Jac, my hands are up too, I get very sentimental over the horses and have many favourites, it’s not all about the betting as far as I’m concerned. I never bet Cue Card the last couple of seasons as I had reasons to think he couldn’t win but would of had a big smile had he won one of those Gold Cups.
I adore Yorkhill but kept a level head and didn’t back him yesterday due to the negatives but would have been cheering him on had he been in contention.Blackbeard to conquer the World
What I probably really meant was that I will happily acknowledge a good point that’s been made but I really couldn’t care about bets landed
This is the only forum I know of with any levrl of depth of knowledge or analysis and the only one which is worth referring to
What I probably really meant was that I will happily acknowledge a good point that’s been made but I really couldn’t care about bets landed
This is the only forum I know of with any levrl of depth of knowledge or analysis and the only one which is worth referring to
That’s a “good point” in itself, Clive.
I myself don’t often aknowledge people who’ve tipped a winner unless they’ve shown a good explanation beforehand of why they’ve backed it; especially those on the DLAP section who show an overall profit… Other than that, might give a general “well done winners” on this section, but even the worst punter gets lucky sometimes.Value Is EverythingNo ginge, you definitely did say that without yorkhill (7/2-4/1)in the race SJ would be 4/5 maybe 4/6 adding “a little extra”
But sizing john largley went off 10/11-4/5 with yorkhill in the race
I had stated he would likely be 1/2-2/5, which might have been slightly short, more likely 8/15 – 1/2 on reflection, but most definitely not 4/6
Not sure where im saying something that you didnt? Unless its something else your on about?
Can throw some more of those calculations towards me if your still going to pretend you were correct and i made something up?
From one lemming to another
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