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    Had one of my favourite moments on here when Holywell landed a long term punt in this 3 years back, and it was almost a repeat of the same last year, when he was only denied by the very well handicapped Un Temps Pour Tout. One of those horses who’s early season form can be ignored, and that’s probably for the best, as he’s been woeful so far………..though he hadn’t fared much better by this stage last year either. He’s already a pound below the mark he ran off last year, and he looks worth a punt at the 16’s. I won’t have as much on Ante-Post this year as usual, but even at half the price on the day, I’ll top up.

    Stablemate Beg To Differ also took this in last year, but had some traffic problems going out into the country, and got rid of his rider on the flat. After a few disappointing try’s, and not to mention signs of temperament, he looked back on track last time in The Welsh National, and he’s worth a second look. Also from the same yard are the JP pair, Another Hero & Shutthefrontdoor. Another Hero is ideal for 3 miles round here on the better spring ground, though his somewhat obvious chance hasn’t went unnoticed, and he’s near the head of the market. I suppose I shouldn’t be grumbling about 20-1 for him though. Shuthefrontdoor has been as bad as Holywell so far, though there’s just the worry that he might be gone at the game, and won’t be one to bounce back. I’m willing to forgive though, and were he to trap here, I’d have to consider him.

    The one JP horse I’m very interested in though is Cause of Causes. Very much like Holywell, come the spring, he bursts into life, and his Festival Form the last 3 years reads 211. Although The Grand National is surely the long term plan, he’s a good enough horse to take something here en-route. “Good enough” may be an understatement, as I’ve always said he should be competing in Graded Chases, and it wouldn’t surprise me were he to get a Gold Cup entry one of these years, as he’s certainly miles ahead of his 148 mark, and that’s not a true reflection of his ability. He’s been very good to me the last few years here, and I’m expecting a bold bid for a repeat win at this years festival. Like so many horses, he’s got a plethora of targets he could go for, and though a repeat bid in The Kim Muir might be the conventional choice, connections would have to get him down another 3lbs for that, which can hardly be guaranteed. I’ll cover him wherever he goes, but he’ll surely be off of no bigger than that 148, and should this indeed be the plan, then the 33’s is ridiculous, and I’ve had a decent go at those odds.

    One dark horse for this could be his stablemate Tiger Roll. One of the forgotten horses of the season, and I find it hard to forget his stroll in The Munster National. He’s another with Festival form, and though something like The National Hunt Chase might be on the agenda, he’ll be of major interest wherever he lines up, and his run here in October, had “sighter” written all over it.

    Doctor Harper from last years winning yard is also on the shortlist, though he’s also on my shortlist for all of the handicaps, so I’ll leave him from an Ante-Post perspective. He could go anywhere, though here or The Kim Muir does look perfect.

    This one of those races where a large number of the contenders get multiple entries, so always difficult to pick the bones out of them, not to mention before the entries are actually published, but of those who have already been priced up, the following look particularly well priced….

    Fletchers Flyer 25’s
    Blaklion 25’s
    Vyta Du Roc 33’s
    The Druids Nephew 33’s
    Double Ross 40’s
    Wakanda 50’s

    Along with Cause of Causes, my favourite horse in training is Seeyouatmidnight, and I’d love to see the pair of them in the same race. SYAM is on the easy list after his “no show” in The Betfair Chase, but with The Rendlesham mentioned as his next target, followed by The Scottish National, then this might not be on the agenda. He’d be a real player though, back in handicap company off of his current mark, though I suppose only time will tell what mark that run in The Betfair will have left. Another horse on the easy list who might be worth keeping in mind is O’Faolains Boy.

    Admittedly it’s early days, and there’ll be a dozen more (at the very least) who’ll catch my eye in the next couple of months, but a small early go on Holywell can’t be helped, while the chance that he won’t qualify for The Kim Muir, makes Cause of Causes the standout at this stage, at a whopping 33’s with Skybet & Betfair Sportsbook.

    GL

    #1280378
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    Anything trained by Gordon Elliott, Jonjo o Neill, or owned by JP McManus will be on my shortlist. Jonjo is clearly planning something with holywell and shutthefrontdoor, its just hard to know whether the plan is for this race or the grand national. Are the grand national weights announced before or after Cheltenham?

    #1280379
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    Well before Wex, usually no later than halfway through February.

    #1280384
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    Like so many horses, he’s got a plethora of targets he could go for, and though a repeat bid in The Kim Muir might be the conventional choice, connections would have to get him down another 3lbs for that, which can hardly be guaranteed. I’ll cover him wherever he goes, but he’ll surely be off of no bigger than that 148, and should this indeed be the plan, then the 33’s is ridiculous, and I’ve had a decent go at those odds.

    Thanks for that VTC. He is one of my main horses this NH season as you know. Great point about the Kim Muir ” connections would have to get him down another 3lbs for that

    This would also put him in the borderline zone for the national weights. There was some talk about if a horse won at Cheltenham that it would be win and your in this year. No idea about that though.

    Joined you with the 33’s Cause of Causes to win :good:

    Thinking again about that 3 lbs , i dont think the handicapper will drop him that. He has dropped him enough and has got his eye on him ;-)

    #1280386
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    Excellent write up as per usual Bob,you have covered the main protagonists to this play as Jonjos leading role Holywell has been a mere bit part player all year…Again!He’s 16/1fav 20’s on the machine for a reason though and we all know he’ll go off single figures on the day.Not often I’m influenced by others opinions about horses talents but you are selling Cause of Causes like a Classic Jag XJ12 against the S-types on offer elsewhere.I am staying loyal to Jonjo though and still think that ‘Holywell’ is the class horse in the race,Elliots charge has never ran off a lofty mark of 163 before but like you havent forgot his previous Cheltenham performances,last years was worthy of a standing ovation.Good luck all Ante-Post players

    #1280388
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    cause of causes British rating will be more than his Irish rating meaning the Kim Muir is highly unlikely indeed. He has been my saving grace the last 2 years and I have tipped him up at our small preview night for both wins. The druids nephew for me here though, back to a winning mark and run well at Sandown in the Whitbread. A previous winner off 146 in this race he finished down the field on his Ascot comeback effort off of 148,hopefully meaning a drop of a couple of pounds. Would be happy to see either an improved display in a chase before the Ultima or a nice hurdles run to prepare :good: 33-1 is huge

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    He’s been the main horse for me the last 4 NH Seasons Botchy lol

    Best of luck :good:

    #1280456
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    Druids has a solid chance in this slips, good luck

    #1280457
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    Cheers Gord…………..hope that Jaguar comparison comes good lol

    #1280494
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    Any reason that Wakanda is as big as50s for this? Back to a winning mark and has a decent record in quality handicaps.

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    I am staying loyal to Jonjo though

    1.01 landed

    #1280522
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    I have had a a dabble on OUT SAM & HENRY PARRY MORGAN at 20s

    Hopefully OUT SAM will get in off a mark of 136. He lost so much ground jumping left at his fences at Kempton, this horse is very well handicapped but jumping will need to improve

    Henry Parry Morgan will Hopefully have a spin over hurdles to protect his mark of 148 and a confidence booster. The Bowens should go down the same route as the druids nephew did in 2015. Cleeve Cheltenham National

    Good Luck all :good:

    #1281102
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    henri parry morgan entered up for a hurdle at warwick this Saturday. cause of causes and the druids nephew have moved a bit in this market now :good:

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    Yeah, we were both lucky to get in quick Slips, now just for them both to make it. I really liked Druids for Ascot last time, and a lot of that was off the back of that Sandown run.

    Kind of kicking myself for not having some of that 33’s, but at the same time, curtailing myself a wee bit this season with the Ante-Posts on the handicaps, as I can get a bit carried away with them, and got away with it last year.

    Good luck with Druids B-)

    #1284424
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    Another bet placed on 25’s to win on Cause of Causes at WH Cheltenham Insurance Bet. Seems as good a time as any :good:

    #1284426
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    That run from Cause of Causes yesterday absolutely screamed ‘don’t win and protect my handicap mark please’. Wasn’t ridden prominently at all but stayed on well to check off runners as he we have seen him do at cheltenham time and time again

    #1284447
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    Yes, but people are talking about him getting down to 145 to get in the Kim Muir. I don’t know if it’s possible, I really haven’t looked properly.

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