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- March 24, 2013 at 15:08 #433953
Hi again Joni..
I did watch the Frankel Dewhurst again and yes you are quite right about Frankel never looking as though the race was in danger, what I was really trying too highlight was how keen Frankel used to be in the first 2 or 3 furlongs of a race and how Tom Queally would keep a hold on him until he calmed down enough to produce that blistering burst of speed and how it could be that Jim Bolger and Kevin Manning will be able to do the same for Dawn Approach as a three year old.
There is no doubt that Frankel looked all over the winner at all times, I was there at Newmarket that day and the atmosphere was electric as Frankel sprouted wings in the last furlong pulling away and even more especially when Twice Over won the Champion Stakes, it was a fairytale day for Cecil and Prince Khalid.
It’s going to be really interesting as we get nearer to the Guineas and it could be a walk in the park or the DA bubble could burst, I’m prepared for whatever happens and for me Kingsbarns is his biggest danger and I’ve had a saver bet on him at 8/1.
Being a great fan of New Approach (my avatar is a picture I took of him when I went to see him in his first year at stud at Dalham Hall, Newmarket) I will be hoping Dawn Approach will win the 2000 Guineas, but whatever happens it’s going to be a great day on the Rowley Mile and should Ghurair be 5 lengths in the lead 2 furlongs from home no doubt Hammy will be there to take all the appropriate shots and publish them on TRF just to rub it in..
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...March 30, 2013 at 18:59 #434467Big write up in a local rag this week and another interview from Gosden where he states that Ghurair’s optimum trip will be likely to be a mile and a quarter.
He says the colt may still go to the Guineas, which loosely translated I would imagine means he hasn’t got him ready in time.…over to you with the ‘I told you so’ Mr Caution.
April 11, 2013 at 19:14 #436029Seems like Bolger has supplemented his horse for the Derby!
April 11, 2013 at 21:19 #436046How much will this race indicate which horse will win the derby?
April 12, 2013 at 14:53 #436085I find it most unusual that someone working for Sir Henry would discuss his horses with people likely to post what they say on the Forum.Has loyalty gone out the window or has Sir Henry a policy that allows staff to discuss the horses without the owner’s permission?
April 12, 2013 at 20:04 #436109Looks like the odd one has been on the grog again.
April 13, 2013 at 00:12 #436130Seems like Bolger has supplemented his horse for the Derby!
Can’t blame them for not wanting to miss the opportunity.
Let him get the Guineas under his belt first and proceed from there.
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...April 13, 2013 at 12:55 #436159Keeping my fingers crossed for Dawn Approach.
Placed a £5 acca in September:
Hurricane Fly @11/2
Sprinter Sacre @5/4
Bob’s Worth @6s
Quevega @Evs
Dawn Approach @7s
Danedream @9/2 (void thanks PP for that)Pays just over £8K
Will lay it for £2K once I can get it matched on Betfair.
A drop in the ocean compared to one punter who I think has already won a few hundred grand and is due to win even more if DA obliges.
Not a bad return all the same. Just praying he makes it there on the day.
April 14, 2013 at 13:53 #436251Keeping my fingers crossed for Dawn Approach.
Placed a £5 acca in September:
Hurricane Fly @11/2
Sprinter Sacre @5/4
Bob’s Worth @6s
Quevega @Evs
Dawn Approach @7s
Danedream @9/2 (void thanks PP for that)Pays just over £8K
Will lay it for £2K once I can get it matched on Betfair.
A drop in the ocean compared to one punter who I think has already won a few hundred grand and is due to win even more if DA obliges.
Not a bad return all the same. Just praying he makes it there on the day.
That’s some acca Couteau..hope you’re going to be there on the day to cheer him home, now showing around 6/4 with most bookies wouldn’t surprised if they would want to take that bet off your hands for a tidy sum.
Newmarket are offering tickets on their site at half price for the 2 days of the Guineas Meeting if you hurry, so £40 for Saturday and Sunday instead of £80 and that’s in the Premier Enclosure right next to the winning post..but you must book before 20th April so only 6 days to go. Here is the link:-
http://www.newmarketracecourses.co.uk/
Let’s face it, it’s going to be an all expenses paid trip…go and enjoy the procession.
Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...April 14, 2013 at 14:33 #436256Good luck with that accumulator Couteau, that’s the kind of thing that normally only bears fruit once in a lifetime. Quite right to lay some of it off rather than take the chance and crash to zero.
Kingsbarns won’t be there, despite one bookie still showing him at 10/1, and the trainer says that they are fighting against time to get him ready for the Derby. Looking at the race I would think the only real dangers to the Fav would be which ever of Hannon’s army rises to the top rank and perhaps Moohaajim improving over the winter and getting the mile (trainer quite confident on both fronts)
Can’t wait for the trails and the true start to the flat season. Good luck to all punters.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
April 14, 2013 at 16:44 #436275and perhaps Moohaajim improving over the winter and getting the mile (trainer quite confident on both fronts)
They would want the going on the quick side aswell, I’d presume?
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April 14, 2013 at 19:04 #436284and perhaps Moohaajim improving over the winter and getting the mile (trainer quite confident on both fronts)
They would want the going on the quick side aswell, I’d presume?
I would assume so. He hasn’t raced on worse than good/soft yet and normally a horse would have a better chance of getting the trip on top of the ground.
I backed Moohaajim at 25/1 for the Guineas based on him having a slightly higher rating than, and a very similar profile to, Cristoforo Colombo. He finished in front of the latter when they ran behind Reckless Abandon in the Middle Park and if the winner and runner up are having stamina questions laid at their doors, then Cristoforo Colombo still has to prove he will get a mile as well. Both he and Moojaahim campaigned solely over 6F last season and although Cristoforo Colombo slipped up in one race, he only has a ten grand Navan maiden in the win column from his five starts. I know the Ante Post King has always been keen on him but I honestly can’t see why he is one third of the odds that Moohaajim is, apart from the profiles of the stables they represent. I can’t imagine Cristoforo Colombo turning the form round with Dawn Approach particularly as the latter looks sure to be more certain to be effective over a mile.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
April 18, 2013 at 14:51 #436645Well, That’s Ghurair out of it anyway. Contested the Tattersalls Millions Trophy at Newmarket over 1m 2f today and finished a one paced third at Evs favourite against horses rated a stone or more below him. Very disappointing and not good news for Gosden who considered him his most realistic classic contender this season. My bet is in the fire already

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
April 18, 2013 at 20:27 #436684Well, That’s Ghurair out of it anyway. Contested the Tattersalls Millions Trophy at Newmarket over 1m 2f today and finished a one paced third at Evs favourite against horses rated a stone or more below him. Very disappointing and not good news for Gosden who considered him his most realistic classic contender this season. My bet is in the fire already

…he’ll drop him back to a mile and discover he’s the next Frankel!
…sorry, that should have read Frank Carson.
April 18, 2013 at 23:40 #436702I must confess, i’ve done a complete about-turn on Toronado
on review of that craven stakes, admittedly he went off a very slow gallop but he ran the last two furlongs astonishingly fast- he also looks well muscled, he looks like an out and out speedball (forget the derby, he won’t get a mile and half in a horse box) and has clearly trained on.
He ran the final two furlongs a mind-boggling quick three seconds faster than the fillies in the five furlong maiden did, according to my rough timings and four seconds faster than the winner of the Wood Ditton.

clearly these were races run at a much quicker tempo so sectionals must be taken with a huge pinch of salt, but what he doesn’t lack for is speed.
if he can take that form into the guineas itself in what admittedly, will be a much faster run race, I can’t see how he can be beaten- certainly not by dawn approach, who would surely be too slow on quick ground.
what’s clear is that they have the wrong favourite for this race.
I now bow to the great god richard hughes after giving him a lot of stick on the craven stakes thread
April 19, 2013 at 04:58 #436707Regarding the timings of this week’s races at Newmarket. Was there not a very strong backwind on both days?
I know it was blowing a proper hooley at work yesterday and I’m sure it was from the SW. I think that puts it in the runners favour?
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)April 19, 2013 at 08:51 #436714(forget the derby, he won’t get a mile and half in a horse box)
He wasn’t stopping after the line, Hughes took some time pulling him up by the looks of things, (maybe Triptych could confirm this?) The Derby will be run you would hope at a slowing tempo then a Guineas and if the horse settles at such a pace and he looked relaxed enough yesterday then I don’t see it being a problem. Hannon still bullish about it after yesterday and it was the main target for the horse last year although admittedly he has shown more speed since but it’s the best chance of a Derby for Hannon and Hughes for over a million years and also I have a lickle voucher so I’m being optimistic…..

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