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I hope Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg can come to an agreement simply to keep those smug Tories out of number 10.
Scotland is the only country within the UK where the Conservatives are treated like pariahs. In fact the Labour vote increased here – with the Tories again claiming only one seat.
Did anyone watch BBC’s election special ? What on earth were they thinking about – inviting celebrities to an election party. Almost everyone present was half cut or totally pissed, like writer and conservative supporter, Toby Young, who slurred just about every word he uttered. Andrew Neill wasn’t impressed as he said to him – " you clearly like parties " before leaving him to slump back into his chair. It was car crash tv and a total waste of licence payer’s money.
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I hope Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg can come to an agreement simply to keep those smug Tories out of number 10.
Scotland is the only country within the UK where the Conservatives are treated like pariahs. In fact the Labour vote increased here – with the Tories again claiming only one seat.
Good point. It’s why Scotland should be allowed independence; then no one in England would have to worry about a country that also has it’s own official Parliament.
I agree about the celebrity bit; I usually stay up all night when there’s an election, but couldn’t risk going into work bleary eyed yet again [not that anyone would notice]. Couldn’t believe Bruce Forsyth with his ‘nice to see you, to see you; oh dear I’ve got my back to the audience’ [audience? it’s an election…]..and that was only at the start of the evening..dread to think what happened after I nodded off. Disappointed as I’ve been with Labour, the thought of a Conservative government fills me with dread, and I feel today the way I felt when Neil Kinnock threw away the election all those years ago. Feel very sorry for Nick Clegg also; the Liberals deserved to do better, but I guess that a lot of people such as myself who thought long and hard about voting for them changed their mind at the last minute.
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Gordon is now squatting. Less seats, 7% less of the vote and he has a constitutional right to stay as PM. What sort of country is this?
Surely we vote for a political party in a general election on their manifesto. The thought of a group of MP’s treating the whole thing like a game of cards; ‘I’ll swap you this policy for that policy if you’ll be my friend’ defeats the whole object of voting for people in the first place. Even as a Labour voter I would rather have woken up today to a Conservative Government with a clear majority than what we’ve got now. What a mess.
Most disappointed with the showing from the Liberals and not solely because my bet mentioned earlier in the thread at 4.9 on more than 70 seats went down after I’d considered laying it off at 1.13 but didn’t
No, for all Clegg didn’t wholly convince I genuinely thought he and his party with 100+ seats so wielding a strong hand in a coalition would provide if not sea breeze-fresh air then at least less stale air in the confines of stuffy old Westminster
Britain – England in particular – is essentially a conservative (small c) country that will always prefer to side with the tried, tested and oft times failed, which on the one hand is good in that extremists will hardly get a look in but on the other bad as we can now more or less expect more of the same old same
Glad Caroline Lucas won a seat for the Greens. I may retire to Brighton – the town that ‘should be helping the police with their enquiries’ to quote Keith Waterhouse
Personally I think we’re destined for another election in the autumn, a la 1974
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I suspect you’re right about a rerun in the Autumn, though that does pose some questions, like who would have the authority to call such an election – Cameron ?
He might well be keen to do so, as neither of the other main parties will be able to fund another contests so soon. And it’s likely to take Labour several months to sort out a new leader. always assuming they can find a way to get rid of Brown.
And I guess Clegg might also come under pressure given the high expectations and modest reality of the Lib Dem vote.
So the Tories could be facing opposition preoccupied with internal problems, and no cash. Sounds just like the F A Cup Final …….
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I hope Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg can come to an agreement simply to keep those smug Tories out of number 10.
Scotland is the only country within the UK where the Conservatives are treated like pariahs. In fact the Labour vote increased here – with the Tories again claiming only one seat.
Good point. It’s why Scotland should be allowed independence; then no one in England would have to worry about a country that also has it’s own official Parliament.
er…..unless i’ve missed something, the UK has been ruled for the past 12 years by essentially the Scottish Labour Party.
and the UK’s two huge problem banks are the two Scottish banks, RBS and BoS.
read any biography of Brown and you’ll see he was a big fish in a small pond around his O level years. good metaphor for the whole Labour administration.
"smug Scottish socialists" has been the problem.
and an ongoing one, it seems, from the number of people still voting for them in areas of the UK – but then two guys on a government payroll will always outvote one guy fending for himself in the private sector.
i fear social unrest is looming whatever happens next – wait for the official acknowledgement soon (a la Greece) that in fact things are much worse than admitted to date.
Desperate disappointed with Mr Clegg as an outsider. Thought the Liberals were going to in with 100 Seats
Never mind though….as long as labour didn’t get in i am happy. Some of the folk in that camp makes me get gassy.
Also closer to home in Ireland.
Peter Robinson got the worst defeat in all Ireland Politics in a long time. Sinn Fein the largest Party i think and even better TUV got nothing with the UUP. Certainly a more progressive election regarding the peace process.
Cameron and Osbourne i think look a more smooth operation.
I hope Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg can come to an agreement simply to keep those smug Tories out of number 10.
Scotland is the only country within the UK where the Conservatives are treated like pariahs. In fact the Labour vote increased here – with the Tories again claiming only one seat.
Good point. It’s why Scotland should be allowed independence; then no one in England would have to worry about a country that also has it’s own official Parliament.
er…..unless i’ve missed something, the UK has been ruled for the past 12 years by essentially the Scottish Labour Party.
and the UK’s two huge problem banks are the two Scottish banks, RBS and BoS.
read any biography of Brown and you’ll see he was a big fish in a small pond around his O level years. good metaphor for the whole Labour administration.
"smug Scottish socialists" has been the problem.
and an ongoing one, it seems, from the number of people still voting for them in areas of the UK – but then two guys on a government payroll will always outvote one guy fending for himself in the private sector.
i fear social unrest is looming whatever happens next – wait for the official acknowledgement soon (a la Greece) that in fact things are much worse than admitted to date.
Well that might be why I want rid of the smug Scottish socialists wrecking English politics and England as a whole, do you not think? As soon as this banking crisis is over, I want them to be allowed a full independence referendum.
Always been against PR, don’t quite understand whether they’re talking pure PR or what? I usually vote Conservative. But it can’t be right that Liberal Democrats didn’t get that much less than Labour in over all vote; yet difference in seats is enormous.
Trouble is I like constituancies, voting for my MP. Wonder if we could have both?
What if all constituancies were trebled in size? Then with 3 MP’s per "seat". If a party gets over 75% of the vote they get all 3 MP’s, over 50% 2 MP’s, over 25% guarantees 1 MP. Any party with less than 20% in that constituancy does not get any MP. Otherwise it’s done purely on share of vote.
Then, so as smaller parties might have a say if doing very well; a rule that any party (without an MP so far) with more than 5% of total vote (Of GB and NI) gets 1 MP.
This way the daft parties (BNP etc) need to get more than 20% in one constituancy or more than 5% Nationally to get an MP.
Your opinions on whether this might work please.
Value Is EverythingHope the agreement works between Conservatives and Liberals.
With the Welsh Nationalists, NI parties and Scottish Nationalists not wanting their areas to pull their weight in any cuts needed. Disgraceful.
Value Is EverythingNobody "wants" cuts Wallace.
It’s got to come, the more we wait the worse it will get. No alternative.Value Is EverythingI surprised your still waiting.
I know in the ROI when it got bad the slicer was out and everything was cut and rightly so.
The GB Debt is huge…and only growing. The conservatives imo has to get the chop out and literally chop chop chop. Im in my final year and i am doing financial markets at the moment in Uni and the Debt Crisis is the single biggest problem facing most European Countries.
Tried to stay up all night to watch the election coverage (although fell asleep at times). Just curious to see who other forumites thought gave the best coverage.
For me it was ITV first, Sky second and BBC third. The BBC and Sky were behind ITV in the seat count and ITV didn’t rely quite so much on graphics and whiz-kid technology to show how things were going. The graphics can be overdone and not everyone needs diagrams and images to grasp realtively simple points. The BBC tended (in the first few hours anyway) to over-analyse things, to go over the same ground again and again with each new interviewee brought in to the studio – and the "celebrity" room! Give me strength. Still, the BBC have taxpayers money to spend so
have no reason not to overdo things. A lesson there methinks.Personally I think we’re destined for another election in the autumn, a la 1974
Is that "personally I think we’re destined for", or personally "I hope for" another election if you don’t mind me asking
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after that line Marble as I certainly don’t hope there’s another election. This is not the time to be obsessed with party politics and the shape of government as there is one little matter that is infinitely more important just at the moment: the debt crisis which has been smouldering since Brown supposedly ‘saved the world’ (ha ha) and looks to be about to erupt volcanicallyPersonally I’d welcome the fruition of that ghastly soundbite dreamt up by some spin-doctor or other – ‘a government of all the talents’ or War Cabinet if you prefer, such is the seriousness of the situation
As many have said and is pretty obvious there is little difference between the parties these days, certainly in the historical sense of Left and Right, with them all occupying a broad middle ground so it shouldn’t be an insurmountable challenge to form a stable(ish) coalition
I’m all in favour of a hung parliament as what we’ve had since 1979 is a succession of ‘elected dictatorships’ answerable to no one and increasingly corrupt
If PR is introduced as a result of any eventual understanding or formal coalition between the Liberals and the others then the electorate deserve a hearty pat on the back for not returning a majority government
after that line Marble as I certainly don’t hope there’s another election. This is not the time to be obsessed with party politics and the shape of government as there is one little matter that is infinitely more important just at the moment: the debt crisis which has been smouldering since Brown supposedly ‘saved the world’ (ha ha) and looks to be about to erupt volcanically- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.