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- May 8, 2010 at 08:15 #294610
Tried to stay up all night to watch the election coverage (although fell asleep at times). Just curious to see who other forumites thought gave the best coverage..
Sat down with Dimbleby accompanied by a cheese sandwich and two cans of Guinness on the stroke of 2200hrs with the plan to watch for a ‘couple of hours’ which transpired as is the norm every five years or so into a series of fitful dozes and bed at 0800hrs
Didn’t watch ITV or Sky so can’t offer a comparison but the beeb’s presentation and analysis seemed the same as it always does, professional and by the very nature of the night, repetitive
The ‘celeb’ piss-up was indeed toe-curlingly embarrasing and is just another weary reminder that dumbing-down rules
May 8, 2010 at 10:42 #294641Nick Clegg won’t prop up the Labour government because he, quite rightly feels that the country have voted in favour of a change of government. However, I disagree that the electorate have totally rejected the Labour party; had they done so we would now have a Conservative Government. Maybe a lot of memories of the last Consevative Government still remain. And, given the financial state of so many countries now, could it be that capitalism doesn’t actually work? Just a thought….And why do we have to have constant change? What is wrong with our education system that couldn’t be improved by an injection of more money? Why are the Conservatives and Liberals looking to America to improve our system? Since when has America been regarded as a centre of excellence in that department. Maybe be should look more to the Scandinavian countries. On a lighter note, it has cheered me greatly to see the Green Party lady being elected and also the Muslim lady. And, good on William Hills [my favourite bookies]for sponsoring the Monster Raving Loony Party. Pleased to see some of the money I give them on a regular basis being put to good use. I’d hate to see the day when we, in this country, can’t laugh at ourselves.
May 8, 2010 at 12:18 #294676Here’s my two bobs worth.
I concede that, as things stand, David Cameron has more right to be the next UK prime minister than anyone else. Sadly, Gordon Brown looks a broken man and I feel if Tory talks with the LIb-Dems break down – and there is every reason to suggest they could, then there if there is to be any hope of of Labour-Lib Dem pact, then he must resign for the common good of the country. I see David Milliband as an obvious repllacement as Labour leader.
As for Proprtional Representaion: there are certain pitfalls connected with this, as there are with the first past the post system. The main one being that it would allow a party such as the BNP a much larger representation in the House Of Commons than they would merit or deserve.
However, that said, my hunch is that David Cameron will strike some sort of deal with Nick Clegg and he will then meet the Queen on Monday or Tuesday.
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May 8, 2010 at 14:46 #294717Per Moehat:-
What is wrong with our education system that couldn’t be improved by an injection of more money? Why are the Conservatives and Liberals looking to America to improve our system? Since when has America been regarded as a centre of excellence in that department. Maybe be should look more to the Scandinavian countries.
1) 1997 Education, education, education – remember the slogan? I too voted for NewLabour then
They pumped taxpayers money into the education system as promised, but was it money well spent? Read this from Dec2007 (10 years after Labour took power):-The reputation of Britain’s state education system took another heavy knock yesterday as figures showed that secondary schools have tumbled down an international league table of reading and maths standards.
Figures from the OECD, measured over the past six years, showed that mathematics standards among 15-year-olds have plummeted, with 16 countries overtaking Britain since 2000, including Slovenia, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Austria. The UK has fallen from eighth to 24th place in the international league table.
Standards in reading have also slipped, with the UK falling behind 10 countries, among them Poland, Sweden, the Netherlands and Japan. Britain fell from seventh to 17th place.…and I believe our standing has fallen even further in the three years since. Just fire-hosing cash at services doesn’t necessaily bring about improvements. Or at least not value-for-money improvements.
2) The Conservatives ARE promoting a Swedish-style reform of schools. Haven’t you read their manifesto? Surely you have.
As for "does capitalism work? Obviously not perfectly, especially when unchecked, but I’d rather live under an imperfect capitalist system (as we’ve all done all our lives here) than an imperfect "socialist" system. (Not too many illegal immigrants trying to break into North Korea or Cuba.)
May 8, 2010 at 15:15 #294723I just want to know who these parents are that will be running the ‘indepenent state schools with smaller classes’. And, what are the ‘tools and powers’ to enable teachers to keep order in classrooms? What exactly does that mean? You can give a 25 year old female teacher the right to physically restrain a 16 year old male pupil, but it doesn’t mean that she will [or could] be able to. And, how can you not give a pupil 24 hours notice of detention? You will then throw a kid out onto the streets having missed their school bus and with their parents not knowing where they are….it’s all empty words to me. I have been totally disappointed with the Labour promise of ‘Education, Education, Education’ being the priority. As for all these whizz kid science and maths teachers; you can have a brain the size of the universe and still be a rubbish teacher if you can’t capture a childs imagination. [and I’m not saying that socialism works, just that capitalism doesn’t seem too healthy at the moment]
May 8, 2010 at 15:43 #294728I think someone should inform ‘Nice Dave’ and the Tory Press that under our current system it is first passed the post and not first nearest the post.
‘Nice Dave’ has no more a mandate to govern than a Lib/Lab coalition.
I don’t believe for one moment the Libs will do a deal with ‘Nice Dave’. There is still a way to go yet….
May 8, 2010 at 17:13 #294739
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As for Proprtional Representaion: there are certain pitfalls connected with this, as there are with the first past the post system. The main one being that it would allow a party such as the BNP a much larger representation in the House Of Commons than they would merit or deserve.
I despise the BNP and much of what they stand for, but if (say) 5% of voters support them, then surely they should be entitled to that much representation,
Isn’t that what democracy means?May 8, 2010 at 17:31 #294745Agreed reet. It’s ‘proportional’ representation after all.
May 9, 2010 at 13:20 #294911It would be nice to have a proper electoral system like PR the big parties don’t want it because they will never have total control again .. they seem to be in love with unfairness be it money, power, privelige or whatever.
I’m glad we’ve got a hung parliament best outcome for the country imo.
May 9, 2010 at 13:48 #294918Whatever brickbats one might throw at PR – and there are plenty – its supporters could argue that, had we had it in 2003, no British troops would have died in Iraq.
May 9, 2010 at 21:04 #295032Gordon is still squatting then. The constitution needs changing urgently in this situation.
We need voting reform, but it needs to be a fair and sensible system. With the number of different voting systems available, and with the Lib Dems clearly trying to drive their own interests’ forward (almost apart from Clegg), I’d love to know who’s going to put in the hard work of coming up with one, or even two, possible new voting systems to put to the country in a referendum. And that is thinking before the chances of anything being put through the House Of Commons, which probably would be an impossible anyway. Direct PR is a no go for both Labour and the Conservative’s, so what we can be achieved must be considered very limited. I think Clegg knows this anyway,
We might get some changes on the Lords though. And I know one thing, and that is if the voting system was adjusted for the General Election, the first time will probably result in utter chaos. There will be many spoilt ballot papers, more people locked out, and more people furious with the result.
May 9, 2010 at 22:18 #295044Quote jose 1993:
Gordon is still squatting then.You know as well as I do that that statement is incorrect.
I suppose Alistair Darling was squatting at the European meeting re the Greece bail out today when he said we would we would not be part of it. Who was supposed to represent us until agreements are reached one way or the other, an empty chair?May 9, 2010 at 22:48 #295046Quote jose 1993:
Gordon is still squatting then.You know as well as I do that that statement is incorrect.
I suppose Alistair Darling was squatting at the European meeting re the Greece bail out today when he said we would we would not be part of it. Who was supposed to represent us until agreements are reached one way or the other, an empty chair?Factually incorrect, yes, but true in most ways. As it is, Brown’s powers are limited, so the visual sight of him "squatting" is really annoying. It’s also pointless. We would only need him if we were about to be attacked by foreign military. We just need reform to this process that allows the situation of someone like Mr Brown "squatting." Clegg was quite clear that he didn’t want him "squatting" in April.
And to answer the question about who was supposed to represent us at the European meeting – in an ideal world – shadow MP’s from the Conservative party as they were the party who gained the most seats. They should be the temporary government, who have the limited powers, in this circumstance.
The whole way of processing this is terrible. Brown is out, so get him out.
May 10, 2010 at 15:49 #295120Quote Jose 1993:
Factually incorrect, yes, but true in most waysFactually incorrect, I rest my case. There is a big difference between how you would like things to be & the reality of the situation until things are sorted out one way or the other. Gordon Brown is not squatting, he is still the PM until negotiation are settled, as are all the Members of the Cabinet still in their posts. I am absolutely sick as you will have gathered at people taking cheap jibes at Gordon Brown.
May 10, 2010 at 15:57 #295121From BBC News:
Mr Darling also confirmed he had spoken with his Conservative and Lib Dem counterparts, George Osborne and Vince Cable, before he and other EU finance ministers approved £52bn in stand-by funding to help struggling European economies.Now there’s democracy for you!
May 10, 2010 at 16:08 #295122No, there is democracy. The squatter has stated his intention to resign as Labour leader.
May 10, 2010 at 17:56 #295129Jose, like most of SKY news’ Tory presenters & ITN news journalists ( Tom Bradby in particular – God, didn’t he looked well miffed
) you are probably enraged, because just when you thought the "deal" was in the bag, BANG ! – auld Broonie throws a big spanner into the works – and Nick Clegg has now opened formal negotiations with the Labour Party. The Rainbow Alliance has a certain ring to it, don’t you think ? 
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