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That was a farcical race. Of course Magna Grecia could be the best horse in the race but you’d have to raise massive question marks about the validity of the evidence given the draw bias. Very disappointing Guineas.
Agree with you Krypton. Is Magna Grecia that much better than the ones in the middle of the course?
Not a good race.
He was one of only 3 grp 1 winners in the field. He had 3 runs prior to this and on his 2nd he was beaten a head by PK who most would of had down as the winner of his race had he turned up. Now all of a sudden his win was a fluke? The best horse won it really is that simple
Cheers Ginger, I’m happy to settle for that, and it was boosted to 117/1 by Willie Hills
Cancel the boost for above, the bet was settled at 100/1 and having queried it with them I now
am aware that the boost only refers to the win part of the bet. My fault for not reading the
small print. Nonetheless, still quite happy Agreed Krypton, impossible to say the best horse won it when there was such distance from both groups, also I would think the best horse in the race would have further than 2-3 lengths a 100/1 shot, even if the latter outrun his odds.
Madhmoon ran a cracker, I reckon he’s only going to get better.
Aidan just said that TS will head to the Commonwealth cup.
It has to go down as a very disappointing Guineas race wise. It’s a fair question to ask whether MG would’ve still won from stall 5 let’s say. Anyway we’ll never know. King of Change is the type of horse that does well in the Guineas and never places for the rest of the year. Skardu came 3rd and didn’t even improve his RPR from the previous race. It’s a very unsatisfactory Guineas this year. Madhmoon is still one to take out of it for me, gutted that rain got into the ground, I was not expecting that and we didn’t see him on his likely preferred GF. He might need further but for now I have him high up on the shortlist for the St James palace on likely GF in June. TS looks like we will see against Calyx in the CC, very exciting race now. Of the others, I go back to what I said earlier on the thread. There is something not right with Charlie Applebys horses at the moment. Line of Duty was supposed to run and didn’t, Al Hilalee was supposed to go Craven/Dante route and then runs like that in this. I think its pretty poor after last year that Charlie Appleby can’t get a horse to run well in the Guineas this year I know Quorto got injured, but even so.
Shocker from Advertise as well but one still on the shortlist for the Jersey or CC for me potentially, he was never going to even stay for me in this.
Well done to all with profit though! And thanks to the advice on this thread I managed to get my money back on a Magna Grecia Saver!
Well done Mike in particular.
Myself I won about a fiver on the race but am happy with that considering how badly Advertise ran ( I feel I got out of jail)I think mile races later in the year could prove to be very interesting when we get a level playing field!
Just a point just before the race Johnny Murtagh said he thought the high numbers would do well because of Shine So Bright and he was proved right!
The ground Mike. He does have a little bit to prove now but that should mean some juicy odds for the SJP if they go that way and hopefully we’ll get some anti post odds up before he possibly runs in the Irish 2000. I don’t see why they would step up now, there’s nothing in the breeding that would say he’d stay 12F. I just think he ran below his potential again whereas Skardu ran a worse race than his Craven run and that form is well dodgy anyway.
the ground changed from good to firm to good. there wasn’t any soft in the description. and Madhmoon has won on good ground. don’t buy into Skardu running worse than in the Craven when he had to take the widest route to finish 1st out of those on the unfavoured side. and Skardu had only won on good to firm before today so he may have not appreciated the heavy shower either. its Skardu who would interest me more in the SJP after that race were he to turn up.
Personally, if there was one horse in the first five I’d expect not to improve from here it is Madhmoon. Too much is made of what trainers think. Race times mean ground conditions can’t have been any worse than Good. Connections always come out with excuses when they get beaten and blaming the soft going at Leopardstown needs to be put in to perspective. Madhmoon was still the best horse at the weights in his trial, form not far off his best. Giving the race fit winner 3 lbs and got beat half a length while weakening late as if might come on a little for the run. But if he is best away from soft ground it isn’t by much and should certainly have acted on Good ground today.
Skardu is inexperienced. This only the third run of his life, all of which came in his home town; therefore I’d expect more improvement. Ten Sovereigns didn’t stay and may well improve at 6f. Magna Grecia is progressive… And although Key Of Change may or may not have been placed had he raced with the pack; he’d still have produced a PB by some way (progressing well). In two 2019 runs Madhmoon is yet to prove any better than he was at two; just might have found his level?
Value Is EverythingWell done to Mike007 and everyone who backed Magna Grecia, he just romped home and AOB has his 10th winner of the 2000 Guineas since he has been entering horses.
I had a last minute fiver on him as he was in my Flat 10 to Follow and he looked so good in the paddock, but then again so did Ten Sovereigns and the Hannon horses it was a difficult one to call and sure many from this race will come out and win throughout the Season….On to the 1000 tomorrow and hope the weather improves got soaked today and it was very windy 
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Well done to all with profit though! And thanks to the advice on this thread I managed to get my money back on a Magna Grecia Saver!
Well, we aim to please.
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