[Zoso]

Ginger:

Say if we both worked on the same race. You priced your book up and decided Red Rum was a 5/1 shot. You checked the prices and it was trading at 10/1. You would obviously be backing that horse as you felt you had value.

Say I worked on the same race and I decided that Desert Orchid was the likliest winner. It was trading at 10/1 also so I backed it E/W.

If Red Rum won the race then it was you who got the value.
If Desert Orchid won the race then it was me who got the value.

Simple as that.

Surely you ,must understand that if I thought Desert Orchid was the likliest winner of the race then in my belief then that horse should have been trading as favourite. Obviously as it wasnt favourite, I have clearly got value. Unless of course it lost and in that case I simply read the race wrong and made a mistake.

[Zoso]

Your statement is ludicrous to say the least. I am certainly not here to agree with people if I disagree with the opinion.

I take it from your comment that you just agree with all and sundry as long as they are "one of the faces"

[Zoso]

I have never once said I will back a horse regardless of the price. Please find where I have said that and quote it. (You cant so dont even bother looking).

Why the question??? It stirs debate and a forum is a place for debate.

[Zoso]

Yes

Give me 10-11 Kauto Star in a match against Mistral De La Cour around Exeter – and you are giving me value, albeit not a certain winner.

Good. This is one of my favourite quotes from a book:

Value is the most misunderstood word in racing-from the betting shop loud mouth right through to the respected so called experts. It was just a few moments ago I once again listened to a major pundit on the television telling all the viewers that he "never bets at odds on-because it doesn’t represent any value". It is difficult to imagine a more inane and meaningless statement, and yet I am aware that this man is widely known to have an intelligent quotient which is well above average. So what brings him to make such a brainless comment, which would insult the intelligence of a gnats armpit.

[Zoso]

Does anyone here think that backing a horse at odds on can be classed as a value bet?

[Zoso]

Congratulations on the baby.

I am arrogant when it comes to racing although in real life my feet are firmly on the ground. If I disagree with an opinion then I will say what I believe to be right. If anyone wants to take offence I wont lose any sleep over that. Anybody is welcome to disagree with any of my opinions in fact its healthy debate and I would find it very boring if everyone agreed.

As for backing 1/20 that I need to inflate my own ego on here then that would be a poor value choice to be fair. If im expected to agree with someone because they are respected on here then the respected poster will be out of luck if I happen to disagree. If im expected to agree with someone just because someone is in the racing media then that person is also out of luck. Everyone is treated with equal respect and I say what I think, if that is a bad thing then so be it. If it makes anyone feel better to try and have a pop at me for my opinions then thats fine with me. I have learnt from one of the best judges in the racing world, and I know my stuff, Im comfortable with that (there goes my ego again)

[Zoso]

Dont take offence but if I switched RUK on and the presenter was asked before the race what he fancied before the race and he blurted out:

"Well I think Kauto Star has a 40% chance of winning, Denman has a 25% chance of winning, Exotic Dancer has an 11% chance of winning" etc etc

I would burst out laughing and then turn the sound down and I wouldnt turn it back up. Why is everyone assuming I need help with my betting. Has anyone considered it a possibility that maybe I could help some of you lot with your betting (or is that outrageous as I have only been posting on the forum since Jan 2nd).

[Zoso]

Zoso
Yes I do make money by working racing out like this. And as Alanalde says Dave Nevison and every professional gambler I have heard of does it this way. They may not work out races to 100% like I usually do, but they do all know the table of odds and chances.

Sorry to say this but It is clear that when you stated, you understood the concept of value, that what you understood was not the true concept of value.

Please Zoso, take a look at my "Question to the racing media thread", it may help you understand. My post about making a 100% book on page 3 might be of particular interest.

Anyone can make a profit for a few months or even a year. But unless a punter understands true value he is unlikely to make a profit over decades.

You could find the 2 best pro punters in the whole of UK and Ireland and it is very likely that they both have 2 completely different methods of working. To assume that there is a right way and a wrong way is somewhat misguided. There is no guideline as to how to be successful. If something works for you longterm then why would you change how you operate?
Some people rely heavily on speed ratings with great success, some people pay very little attention to speed ratings with great success. To seriously think that just because Dave Nevison works in a certain way and he is a well known pundit then that must be the only way of working is not only narrow minded but is complete and utter bull.

I read your post and it was of no interest to me. Dont take offence its just not how I operate. I have spreadsheets stretching back years and I would not change how I operate and approach each race. For you to state I dont understand value is complete and utter rubbish im afraid to tell you.

I have a feeling you will disagree but I learnt more reading one book about racing (the only racing book I have ever read) than I could ever have hoped to learn and my punting methods and style is based on what that book taught me and I have developed my own way of working but still using many of the methods the book taught me. It works for me long term and that is what matters.
I would never be so deluded to suggest that anyone who does not follow my methods could not possibly win in the long time. That would be ridiculous of me to suggest such a thing.

I would never dream of telling you that you dont understand value or racing and its laughable that you feel you can judge me and tell me I cant make the game pay long term because I dont operate like some presenter off RUK who has written a book.

[Zoso]

I dont look at a race and say this horse has a 33% chance of winning, this one has a 12% chance of winning etc etc. I couldnt imagine trying to think in that way.

I work my bets out by a process of elimination, effectively finding all the lays in the race til I am left with the winner in my opinion. List negatives and positives against all horses and rule them out one by one.
The one I am left with is the winner and will be a bet as long as I feel the price is fair.
, I will look at a race and say that one does not stay the trip so its ruled out. That one hates the ground and is poorly handicapped so its ruled out etc. Til I am left with the horse with the best profile under todays conditions. It would drive me round the bend saying that has a 33% chance etc. Do you seriously make money long term looking at things this way or do you just like a punt for entertainment?

If you do make money working this way, then fair play to you but I would never consider working this way.

[Zoso]

Sorry Arnalade I was being called clueless so I thought I would pull out my outstanding form of January 2008 spreadsheet to give the people who say I dont know what Im talking about some food for thought.
Then Carvillshill became insecure about my spreadsheet so I had to post Decembers to make him feel better as it was a bad month.

All joking aside Im a trained dietician so do feel free to post your 2 months grocery list or PM me it and I will let you know where you need to improve your diet.

[Zoso]

Mr Potts sounds shrewd and has said what I meant, but has nailed it in a few simple to understand sentences.

I have Waqaar as being poor value in the 2:30 kempton today at 4/6 or shorter and I will be laying him.
If Waqaar hacks up then my judgement that he is too short was wrong and I have not layed value, I have simply made a poor decision and bad judgement. I will be perfectly happy with my lay either way though as I was happy for the reasons for laying the horse beforehand (if I wasnt I wouldnt have layed him) but I will not be able to claim that the lay was a good value lay.

No need to kneel before me for todays overturning of a 4/9 shot. I would go and start a daily tipping thread in the daily lays play section just to cane you good and proper but im not small minded in that way.

[Zoso]

Here is December E/W. Not a losing month but not impressive either. Dont worry Carvillshill im sure you are the best chap.

Dec-1st Newcastle 13:15 Something Gold 12/1 8/1 UR £200.00 -£200.00
Newcastle 15:30 Blythe Knight 5/1 4/1 6th £200.00 -£400.00
Dec-2nd Newbury 14:40 Gentleman Jimmy 11/1 8/1 6th £200.00 -£600.00
Dec-3rd Wolverhampton 13:10 Zalkani 7/1 15/2 5th £100.00 -£700.00
Wolverhampton 13:10 Born West 8/1 8/1 3rd £30.00 -£670.00
Dec-4th Hereford 12:40 Jigsaw Dancer 14/1 10/1 3rd £180.00 -£490.00
Lingfield 12:50 Thoughts Of Stardom 11/2 5/1 3rd £10.00 -£480.00
Hereford 13:10 Oncle Bull 8/1 15/2 6th £200.00 -£680.00
Wolverhampton 15:00 Muncaster Castle 12/1 10/1 8th £200.00 -£880.00
Dec-5th Ayr 12:30 Za Beau 16/1 16/1 5th £100.00 -£980.00
Plumpton 12:40 Pen Gwen 14/1 8/1 3rd £90.00 -£890.00
Plumpton 13:40 A Bit Irish 25/1 20/1 6th £100.00 -£990.00
Plumpton 15:40 Paco 6/1 10/3 4th £200.00 -£1190.00
Kempton 19:50 Kaystar Ridge 9/2 15/2 9th £200.00 -£1390.00
Kempton 20:20 Soldier Field 11/2 4/1 2nd £10.00 -£1380.00
Dec-6th Leicester 14:30 Zamboozle 7/1 8/1 UR £200.00 -£1580.00
Wincanton 14:40 Monfils Monfils 15/2 13/2 10th £200.00 -£1780.00
Leicester 15:30 Inmate 8/1 6/1 2nd £60.00 -£1720.00
Wolverhampton 18:50 Feeling Fresh 9/1 6/1 1st £1080.00 -£640.00
Wolverhampton 20:50 Evita 10/1 8/1 4th £200.00 -£840.00
Dec-7th Exeter 14:10 Zimbabwe 10/1 8/1 5th £200.00 -£1040.00
Sandown 14:30 Turko 5/1 11/2 1st £625.00 -£415.00
Exeter 14:45 King Caine 8/1 12/1 1st £960.00 £545.00
Wolverhampton 19:30 Not Now Lewis 9/1 14/1 7th £200.00 £345.00
Wolverhampton 19:55 Jazerio 8/1 12/1 8th £200.00 £145.00
Wolverhampton 20:25 Fizzlephut 15/2 11/1 2nd £50.00 £195.00
Dec-8th Sandown 13:30 Saunders Road 11/1 12/1 4th £175.00 £370.00
Sandown 14:05 Mahogany Blaze 4/1 4/1 2nd £0.00 £0.00 £370.00
Sandown 15:10 European Guest 13/2 9/2 3rd £30.00 £400.00
Wolverhampton 19:55 Avertuso 7/1 6/1 8th £200.00 £200.00
Wolverhampton 20:55 Accusation 10/1 12/1 8th £200.00 £0.00
Dec-9th Warwick 13:10 Climate Change 12/1 10/1 5th £200.00 -£200.00
Warwick 14:10 Rookery Lad 12/1 16/1 7th £200.00 -£400.00
Kelso 14:20 Cantgeton 10/1 10/1 9th £200.00 -£600.00
Warwick 15:10 Arnold Layne 6/1 9/2 1st £720.00 £120.00
Dec-10th Muselburgh 12:20 Super Chris 22/1 10/1 FELL £100.00 £20.00
Lingfield 14:00 Zalahawa 14/1 12/1 9th £100.00 -£80.00
Wolverhampton 15:10 Empire Dancer 11/2 4/1 6th £200.00 -£280.00
Dec-11th Southwell 12:00 Ingleby Star 12/1 10/1 4th £100.00 -£380.00
Southwell 12:30 Kennington 16/1 20/1 3rd £220.00 -£160.00
Southwell 15:00 Grand Show 7/1 9/2 7th £200.00 -£360.00
Fontwell 15:10 Lit Et Mixe 9/1 10/1 7th £200.00 -£560.00
Dec-12th Kempton 19:50 Artistic Light 8/1 15/2 8th £200.00 -£760.00
Kempton 20:20 Ginger Pop 9/2 7/2 7th £200.00 -£960.00
Dec-13th Taunton 12:50 Master T 8/1 12/1 6th £200.00 -£1160.00
Taunton 13:20 Moles Chamber 6/1 8/1 PU £200.00 -£1360.00
Ludlow 14:10 Sprosser 15/2 12/1 3rd £50.00 -£1310.00
Ludlow 14:40 Master Somerville 11/1 15/2 9th £200.00 -£1510.00
Wolverhampton 19:50 Arctic Desert 6/1 5/1 4th £200.00 -£1710.00
Wolverhampton 21:20 Elizabeth Spirit 7/1 9/1 5th £200.00 -£1910.00
Dec-14th Cheltenham 13:20 Ofarel Dairy 15/2 15/2 11th £200.00 -£2110.00
Southwell 14:05 The Twelve Steps 7/1 3/1 1st £840.00 -£1270.00
Southwell 14:40 Barons Court 5/1 4/1 4th £200.00 -£1470.00
Cheltenham 14:30 Sir Monty 16/1 16/1 7th £200.00 -£1670.00
Southwell 15:15 Master Of The Cart 3/1 3/1 UR £300.00 -£1970.00
Dec-15th Cheltenham 12:55 O’Toole 6/1 9/2 1st £465.00 -£1505.00
Cheltenham 13:30 My Turn Now 7/1 4/1 8th £150.00 -£1655.00
Cheltenham 14:40 Palarshan 15/2 7/1 5th £150.00 -£1805.00
Cheltenham 15:10 Afsoun 5/1 9/2 5th £200.00 -£2005.00
Wolverhampton 19:00 Talamahana 10/1 11/2 4th £100.00 -£2105.00
Wolverhampton 19:55 Cha Cha Cha 7/1 6/1 5th £150.00 -£2155.00
Wolverhampton 20:55 Touch Of Style 12/1 16/1 2nd £50.00 -£2105.00
Dec-17th Plumpton 12:50 William Bonney 6/1 6/1 3rd £20.00 -£2085.00
Plumpton 14:25 Malaga Boy 22/1 20/1 5th £150.00 -£2235.00
Plumpton 15:25 Mount Begner 14/1 12/1 PU £200.00 -£2435.00
Dec-18th Catterick 14:50 Beau Torrero 8/1 12/1 5th £200.00 -£2635.00
Dec-19th Newbury 12:00 Apocal 5/1 4/1 2nd £0.00 -£2635.00
Newbury 13:00 Burren Legend 9/1 6/1 2nd £80.00 -£2555.00
Bangor 13:20 Kayf Diamond 50/1 40/1 7th £50.00 -£2605.00
Bangor 14:25 Knighton Lad 10/1 15/2 9th £200.00 -£2805.00
Lingfield 14:50 Obrigado 7/1 8/1 7th £100.00 -£2905.00
Newbury 15:10 King Harald 5/1 11/2 2nd £25.00 -£2880.00
Kempton 19:50 Big Timer 6/1 13/2 10th £150.00 -£3030.00
Dec-20th Exeter 12:50 Hugo Wolf 16/1 16/1 11th £100.00 -£3130.00
Ludlow 14:40 Caislan De Neige 10/1 6/1 5th £100.00 -£3230.00
Exeter 14:50 Portland Bill 8/1 15/2 1st £480.00 -£2750.00
Dec-21st Ascot 13:05 Sternenzelt 14/1 25/1 4th £100.00 -£2850.00
Uttoxeter 13:55 Le Burf 11/2 11/2 FELL £200.00 -£3050.00
Dec-22nd Haydock 12:20 Khasab 11/2 5/1 4th £200.00 -£3250.00
Ascot 13:40 Lough Derg 28/1 14/1 1st £3500.00 £250.00
Dec-27th Wolverhampton 18:50 Grapes Of Wrath 7/2 7/1 10th £300.00 -£50.00
Wolverhampton 19:50 Willie Ever 9/1 8/1 6th £100.00 -£150.00
Dec-28th Lingfield 14:10 Andronikos 7/1 11/2 5th £150.00 -£300.00
Leicester 14:20 Caraman 11/1 11/1 3rd £100.00 -£400.00
Leicester 14:30 Mandingo Chief 7/1 13/2 2nd £30.00 -£370.00
Dec-29th Leaopordstown 12:25 Forest Leaves 16/1 11/1 3rd £220.00 -£150.00
Newbury 12:30 Ocean Des Obeaux 5/1 11/2 3rd £200.00 -£350.00
Newbury 14:05 Hells Bay 9/2 4/1 4th £200.00 -£550.00
Wolverhampton 19:00 Wreningham 9/2 5/1 4th £200.00 -£750.00
Wolverhampton 20:55 Moonlight Fantasy 9/2 7/2 1st £540.00 -£210.00
Wolverhampton 21:20 Zabeel House 7/1 9/1 1st £840.00 £630.00
Dec-30th Haydock 14:05 Ballabrigs 6.0&3.0 5/1 2nd £100.00 £730.00
Haydock 14:05 Livingonaknifedge 12.0&4.6 8/1 4th £200.00 £530.00
Taunton 14:25 Zamboozle 12/1 12/1 PU £200.00 £330.00
Lingfield 15:20 Alfresco 11/2 3/1 1st £660.00 £990.00
Taunton 15:30 Follow Your Heart 9/2 5/1 PU £200.00 £790.00
Dec-31st Uttoxeter 14:30 Pharleight Dai 12/1 9/1 PU £200.00 £590.00
Warwick 14:40 Dinnie Flanagan 12/1 13/2 FELL £200.00 £390.00

[Zoso]

Zoso
Posting a list of bets on here is the worst kind of aftertiming. The small sample of your "value" bets we’ve had the privilege to share on here before the event have been uninspiring to say the least.
From your list of bets you are the next Messiah in punting terms but pardon me for being sceptical- if you can post in the Lays and Plays before the event with similar success for a month or two, I will gladly kneel before your eminence then……

How did you know my stage name?? The Messiah. Your good, Here is Decembers figures you will notice its a losing month. If you think I get off on impressing people on the internet think again.

Lays:

1st-Dec Newcastle 12:40 All For The Cash 2.54 15/8 1st £154.00 -£154.00
Newcastle 13:15 Shrewd Investor 2.30 5/4 1st £130.00 -£284.00
Newcastle 13:15 Karelian 2.86 11/4 2nd £96.00 -£188.00
Kempton 14:15 Fajr 2.82 7/4 3rd £96.00 -£92.00
Newcastle 14:25 Cloudmor 3.05 9/4 PU £96.00 £4.00
Newcastle 15:30 Katchit 2.50 5/4 3rd £192.00 £196.00
2nd-Dec Leicester 12:40 Nom De Guerre 1.94 10/11 1st £94.00 £102.00
Doncaster 12:50 Antonius Cesar 2.16 7/4 4th £96.00 £198.00
Leicester 13:00 Big Buck 1.66 1/2 1st £66.00 £132.00
Leicester 13:45 Green Prospect 2.90 7/4 3rd £96.00 £228.00
Doncaster 13:55 Our Jasper 2.94 15/8 1st £194.00 £34.00
Clonmel 14:30 Callherwahtyoulike 2.54 13/8 1st £154.00 -£120.00
Newbury 15:15 Ring The Boss 2.50 11/8 1st £150.00 -£270.00
3rd-Dec Folkestone 12:30 Mount Benger 3.35 9/4 6th £96.00 -£174.00
Folkestone 13:30 Pocket Aces 3.15 11/8 1st £215.00 -£389.00
Fakenham 13:50 Dundridge Native 1.56 8/15 1st £112.00 -£501.00
Fakenham 14:50 Colorado Pearl 1.84 11/10 1st £168.00 -£669.00
4th-Dec Hereford 13:10 Neversoblue 2.58 5/4 1st £158.00 -£827.00
Lingfield 13:50 Classic Fortune 2.22 8/11 2nd £122.00 -£947.00
5th-Dec Ayr 12:30 Millie The Filly 2.00 6/5 3rd £96.00 -£851.00
Plumpton 12:40 Oh Crick 2.84 7/4 1st £184.00 -£1035.00
Ayr 13:00 Quws Law 2.22 6/5 3rd £96.00 -£939.00
Plumpton 13:40 Iwillrememberyou 1.41 4/11 1st £41.00 -£980.00
Kempton 20:20 Pearl 1.94 EVS 1st £188.00 -£1168.00
6th-Dec Market Rasen 13:50 Miss Shakira 2.84 9/4 6th £96.00 -£1072.00
Leicester 14:00 Abutilon 2.64 5/4 2nd £96.00 -£976.00
Leicester 14:30 Blue Bajan 1.36 1/3 1st £36.00 -£1012.00
Wolverhampton 18:50 Yankee Storm 2.66 6/4 2nd £96.00 -£916.00
Wolverhampton 19:20 The Mighty One 1.99 13/8 1st £99.00 -£1015.00
Wolverhampton 19:50 Cross Fell 2.88 5/2 1st £188.00 -£1203.00
7th-Dec Wolverhampton 19:30 Ninth House 3.10 13/8 1st £210.00 -£1413.00
8th-Dec Navan 12:25 Micktheman 1.90 4/7 2nd £96.00 -£1317.00
Lingfield 13:25 Orange Square 2.32 5/4 2nd £96.00 -£1221.00
Sandown 14:05 Moon Over Miami 2.86 9/4 4th £96.00 -£1125.00
Navan 14:25 Afistfullofdollars 3.00 9/4 1st £200.00 -£1325.00
Sandown 14:35 Voy Per Ustedes 2.34 EVS 2nd £96.00 -£1229.00
Sandown 15:10 Ring The Boss 2.60 7/4 1st £160.00 -£1389.00
Wolverhampton 19:00 Noble Plum 2.32 13/8 1st £132.00 -£1521.00
9th-Dec Kelso 12:50 Mr Strachan 1.79 8/11 2nd £192.00 -£1329.00
Lingfield 13:30 Hold The Gold 3.45 9/4 1st £245.00 -£1574.00
Lingfield 14:30 Grand Caiman 2.22 4/5 1st £122.00 -£1696.00
10th-Dec Lingfield 13:30 Silent Master 1.77 4/7 3rd £96.00 -£1600.00
Lingfield 14:40 Red Blossom 2.82 EVS 1st £182.00 -£1782.00
11th-Dec Southwell 12:00 Weet A Surprise 3.20 5/2 1st £220.00 -£2002.00
Sedgefield 13:20 Ten Carat 2.80 7/2 3rd £96.00 -£1,906.00
Fontwell 13:40 Vivid Imagination 2.92 6/4 PU £96.00 -£1,810.00
Sedgefield 15:20 Miss Pross 2.60 13/8 4th £96.00 -£1,714.00
12th-Dec Kempton 18:20 Doctor Robert 2.68 6/5 5th £96.00 -£1,618.00
Kempton 21:20 Bernabeau 2.86 6/4 2nd £96.00 -£1,522.00
13th-Dec Ludlow 12:40 Park Drive 3.50 3/1 4th £96.00 -£1,426.00
Taunton 12:50 Welsh Main 2.56 6/5 PU £192.00 -£1,234.00
Taunton 13:50 Collisay 2.40 5/4 5th £96.00 -£1,138.00
Taunton 14:20 Acombo 1.71 4/7 FELL £192.00 -£946.00
Wolverhampton 18:50 Mission Impossible 2.70 15/8 1st £340.00 -£1,286.00
Wolverhampton 19:20 Hasty Retreat 2.80 11/8 3rd £192.00 -£1,094.00
Wolverhampton 19:50 Confidentiality 1.50 4/9 1st £50.00 -£1,144.00
Wolverhampton 20:50 Abbeygate 2.72 EVS 8th £96.00 -£1,048.00
Wolverhampton 21:20 Grand Assault 2.88 5/4 1st £376.00 -£1,424.00
14th-Dec Southwell 14:40 Safebreaker 2.88 7/4 1st £188.00 -£1,612.00
Cheltenham 15:40 Snap Tie 2.46 6/5 2nd £96.00 -£1,516.00
Southwell 14:05 Pinewood Lulu 3.50 9/2 6th £96.00 -£1,420.00
15th-Dec Southwell 11:30 Dancing Deano 2.66 13/8 6th £96.00 -£1,324.00
Southwell 13:05 County House 1.73 8/11 3rd £96.00 -£1,228.00
Fairyhouse 13:55 Snowy Morning 2.06 10/11 1st £106.00 -£1,334.00
Lingfield 13:55 Art Professor 2.66 7/4 2nd £96.00 -£1,238.00
Lingfield 15:35 Osako D’airy 2.96 2/1 3rd £96.00 -£1,142.00
Wolverhampton 19:00 Tiger Spice 2.64 7/4 1st £164.00 -£1,306.00
Wolverhampton 20:25 Kirk Michael 1.86 4/6 1st £258.00 -£1,564.00
Wolverhampton 20:55 Lobengula 2.78 15/8 1st £178.00 -£1,742.00
17th-Dec Wolverhampton 13:45 Firewalker 2.18 10/11 2nd £96.00 -£1,646.00
Plumpton 13:55 Mutual Respect 3.25 2/1 3rd £96.00 -£1,550.00
Wolverhampton 15:15 Rigat 2.96 6/4 7th £96.00 -£1,454.00
18th-Dec Catterick 13:20 Watch My Back 2.72 5/2 1st £172.00 -£1,626.00
Catterick 13:50 Polar Gale 2.46 5/4 2nd £192.00 -£1,418.00
19th-Dec Kempton 18:20 Fair Gale 3.15 7/4 1st £215.00 -£1,633.00
Kempton 19:50 Capricorn Run 2.74 7/4 7th £96.00 -£1,537.00
Kempton 20:20 Auntie Mame 3.35 9/4 1st £235.00 -£1,772.00
Kempton 21:20 Dishdasha 2.96 15/8 5th £96.00 -£1,676.00
20th-Dec Exeter 14:20 Minella Tipperary 3.40 15/8 3rd £96.00 -£1,580.00
Southwell 14:30 Propaganda 2.20 EVS 2nd £192.00 -£1,388.00
Exeter 15:20 Helens Wood 3.40 9/4 1st £240.00 -£1,628.00
Southwell 15:30 Cadwell 2.78 5/4 3rd £96.00 -£1,532.00
Exeter 15:50 Pure Genius 2.86 15/8 4th £96.00 -£1,436.00
Wolverhampton 19:20 Prince Medina 2.76 10/11 1st £352.00 -£1,788.00
21st-Dec Uttoxeter 13:55 Gods Token 3.00 11/4 2nd £96.00 -£1,692.00
Southwell 14:05 Alonso De Guzman 2.54 11/8 4th £96.00 -£1,596.00
22nd-Dec Navan 11:55 Sky Hall 1.50 4/9 1st £100.00 -£1,696.00
Navan 12:25 Mick The Man 1.33 2/9 2nd £192.00 -£1,504.00
Lingfield 14:10 Call Of Duty 1.70 4/5 2nd £192.00 -£1,312.00
Haydock 15:05 Endless Power 2.88 13/8 4th £192.00 -£1,120.00
Lingfield 15:40 Gentlemans Deal 2.74 5/4 1st £348.00 -£1,468.00
27th-Dec Wolverhampton 19:20 Ike Quebec 1.76 4/6 1st £76.00 -£1,544.00
Wolverhampton 20:20 Charlottebutterfly 3.40 3/1 6th £96.00 -£1,448.00
28th-Dec Limerick 14:15 Bellflower Boy 2.50 11/8 1st £300.00 -£1,748.00
Catterick 14:20 Cedrus labini 1.43 2/5 1st £86.00 -£1,834.00
Catterick 15:05 Bengo 3.15 9/4 1st £215.00 -£2,049.00
Leicester 15:35 Zirkeel 2.16 11/8 PU £192.00 -£1,857.00
29th-Dec Leapordstown 12:25 Well Run 2.62 13/8 FELL £96.00 -£1,761.00
Musselburgh 15:25 Folk Tune 2.92 7/4 2nd £96.00 -£1,665.00
Wolverhampton 21:20 Beck 2.34 11/8 4th £192.00 -£1,473.00
30th-Dec Haydock 13:00 Rightway Star 3.30 6/4 5th £96.00 -£1,377.00
Haydock 15:10 Labelthou 2.60 6/5 FELL £192.00 -£1,185.00
31st-Dec Uttoxeter 13:30 Alfasonic 3.0 15/8 4th £192.00 -£993.00
Warwick 13:40 William Bonney 2.42 11/8 4th £192.00 -£801.00
Warwick 14:40 Pass It On 2.46 2/1 4th £192.00 -£609.00
Wolverhampton 14:50 Lobengula 2.42 6/4 6th £192.00 -£417.00

[Zoso]

Zoso,

Nice of you to say so – simple sentences was what I always tried to write!

AP

Your welcome Alan. I must say I liked the way you put it, I had a look through the celebrity Q&A section you did also and liked your answers, especially this one as it rings a bell with me:

All the successful punters I know share three characteristics –

1 – unshakeable self confidence, to the point of arrogance

I have only ever bought one racing book in my life and I doubt I could ever buy a better one in an entire lifetime, but I may even consider buying one of your books now. (Not trying to be a brown noser but genuinely might).

[Zoso]

If the concept of value didn’t exist in anything that involves money, then we could do away with money.

Rob

Every punter believes he is backing or laying value though, even the muggiest of mugdom betting shop punter.

The end results over a period of time are the defining factor of whether you really did play at value or not though.

[Zoso]

Aitatmov is carrying my money. Backed him e.w.

[Zoso]

Mr Potts sounds shrewd and has said what I meant, but has nailed it in a few simple to understand sentences.

I have Waqaar as being poor value in the 2:30 kempton today at 4/6 or shorter and I will be laying him.
If Waqaar hacks up then my judgement that he is too short was wrong and I have not layed value, I have simply made a poor decision and bad judgement. I will be perfectly happy with my lay either way though as I was happy for the reasons for laying the horse beforehand (if I wasnt I wouldnt have layed him) but I will not be able to claim that the lay was a good value lay.

[Author]

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