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I thought the RP reported the reason why as of the last year or so? Certainly the results section in the newspaper says why.
After about 4 e-mails, the Racing Post finally understand what the issue is with the form figures. Look at this guff they gave me earlier today;
We have checked several horses’ from figures within the main database and are unable to see the problem you are referring to regarding the figures not displaying correctly.
The dash after Kauto Star is meant to be there because he has not had a run yet this season (2009/10). Moscow Flyer is retired and has not run since the end of the 2007 season; the / in a horse’s form indicates that a horse has been off the the track for over a year.
We you find this information useful.
We do understand your issue regarding the lifetime form of horse which is situated at the Race record section of the individual horse data page. Having checked a number of examples this seems to be the case across the board. The information is available when scrolling down the form of a horse as the date and year are situated down the left hand side of the page but obviously this is not ideal and can take more time separating each year.
Not only useless but patronising little buggers as well!
I know some of you are racing professionals but crikey – the idea that everyone thinks they know the derby winner (in a tricky derby imo) has all the hallmarks of mug gamblers, i.e. "i am sure I know the winner" (before the race)!
Or confident fools. Not sure if that’s a synonym or not though.
Ashram’s been withdrawn, leaving Delegator + Mastercraftsman as the 2 horses on the trends. Using the skinny trend of 2000 Guineas 2nd + 3rds being defeated, you have a clear pick in Mastercraftsman, but IMO backing him at 5/2 on this ground is a bit silly. You could dutch them, but you’d be backing them odds-on and that’s not something I want to do on heavy ground when a mudlark could run amok.
In fact, the reason Coolmore don’t "like" Black Bear Island is blindingly obvious when you think about it…
An unimpressive horse to look at that is a full brother to a stallion they already own (and who hasn’t exactly set the world alight at stud, although maybe Magadan can change that this season)
From a commercial perspective, surely he would be the worst winner of the
Derby as far as the O’Brien runners are concerned?You were talking so much sense until that last paragraph! Black bear could
only but influence potential matings and confirm that the High chap bloodline is actually worth re-investing in surely! 2 full brothers winning the Derby a Goldmine!Not when the sire’s already been retired.
TDK, I thought about that already but High Chaparral’s slowly improving and his record at stud has little bearing on how BBI would perform at stud.
After viewing this again for the umpteenth time the race still does not change my opinion, Frozen Fire pretty much avoids all the chaos that happens and makes a overtaking manouver that makes you think he is hampered as badly as 3rd place, a joke of a race and a joke that people use it to say he can’t get 1m4f.
No intereference and Tartan Bearer would have probably won that race, if Frozen Fire had joined him he’d have probably kept his head out in front.
We will have to agree to disagree because the race is diabolical and
a complete show of team tactics.
2 out, Frozen Fire is right next to Casual Conquest who is directly behind Tartan Bearer, so he’s effectively 4-wide while Tartan Bearer is 3-wide.
He then switches to the outside and ends up being 6-wide while Tartan Bearer is still 3-wide.
1 out, Tartan Bearer’s now 6-wide as well with Frozen Fire directly behind him.
1/2f out now and Tartan Bearer is about 11-wide with Frozen Fire 12-wide.
So look at their positions 2-out compared to their position 1/2f out.
Tartan Bearer’s gone from 3-wide to 11-wide and Frozen Fire from 4-wide to 12-wide. Yes or no?
I won’t comment on the bit in bold as it’s just laughable.
Anyway lets see how many races Tartan Bearer runs over 1m4f this season and how many he wins. My money is on a big fat zero.
I agree with you there, at least in Group 1s.
What a load of B******s, Tartan "Virtually" wins the Derby and you pair think he wont run over a 11/2m again! Without me mentioning the King
George, who do you think is going to run in the Arc when Conduit goes back to the Breeders Cup! In my humblest of opinions anyone who thinks
11/4m i his ideal trip is clueless, he needs 11/2m, watch the Sandown race again its blatantly obvious he was only just getting into top gear when the race was over!Alright, calm down, Mr Tourettes. I don’t care if he did ‘virtually’ win a Derby. Sir Percy won the bloody thing and never went over 1 1/2m again. Hawk Wing was 2nd to arguably the best Derby winner this decade and never went over 1 1/2m again.
I wasn’t agreeing with Fist in that he wouldn’t run over 12f again this season – I was agreeing that he wouldn’t win a 12f Group 1 this season.
And in my humblest opinion (well, it’s fact more than anything else actually), he’s run 3 times over 10f and won 3 times. Yes, he’s finishing strongly at the end in the Gordon Richards but you want that in strongly run races. He’ll be able to come off a strong pace in the Prince of Wales, Eclipse, etc.
Its complete and utter garbage to say Frozen Fire was affected like Tartan Bearer in the Irish Derby
, he was able to finish like a train cause of what was happening in front
http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/ … 29_05_1550
I strongly recommend you watch again.
Anyway lets see how many races Tartan Bearer runs over 1m4f this season and how many he wins. My money is on a big fat zero.
I agree with you there, at least in Group 1s.
the St Leger proved in someways the race was an entire write off. The Irish Derby he was a victim of Ballydoyle team tactics which I have always believed.
How did the St. Leger prove that? Because Frozen Fire ran badly? He’s a shockingly inconsistent horse who turns up when he feels like it. 3 times in Group 1s he’s disappointed as a market leader. New Approach would have won the Derby by a good few lengths had he not pulled and been messing around, and I suspect that Frozen Fire simply put in a similar quality performance at The Curragh. He was affected just as much as Alessandro Volta, Tartan Bearer, etc, and still won fairly cosily.
And to say I’m making an excuse about him getting injured is beyond belief, the race that made him miss 10 months cause of injury and made him lose his tail is pretty extradoniary.
How is that relevant? I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make tbh.
once Tartan Bearer (who was just getting his head in front of Casual Conquest) got a view of New Approach he quickend again and was able to cruise past Casual Conquest, this is why he is better than Casual Conquest as he was able to chase the winner.
At least he’d have gotten closer to Bronze Cannon
Yeah a distinct lack of trainer quotes is true. Also, they’d have you believe that horse racing has only existed for 1 season given that the form figures now appear in a huge line with no gaps, slashes or dashes…
Look at what they’ve done to Moscow Flyer, for example;
Jumps placings 6343111813121F21F111F111U111U111U11111112245/
