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Firefox, northampton have small squad but some real quality in there. Leeds FA cup replay we had key players out. The game last night a few players back and we beat them fair and square. MK Dons are a quality outfit this season i.m.o
Yes I am a Cobblers fan. Awesome win at home last night aganst Leeds
There is a guy in a certain betting shop in Coventry that sits in a shopping thoroughfair with a paper cup begging. When his cup if full he walks round to the corner into the bookies and puts it on the dogs.
The next Donald Trump
I find it hard to believe that any manager of a bookmakers (especially Ladbrokes) did not know what an ante-post bet was. I think the story has been embellished for effect.
That story is no word of a lie! The manager in question is a complete plonker! Here is another scenario that happened last wkend in betfred
I took a slip up to the counter and asked to take the price on the certain horse in the 2.30 at Ascot. The woman goes to me ‘there is no 2.30 at Ascot.by which point there is a small queue forming behind. I say i’m pretty certain and she goes ‘there’s no 2.30 at Ascot’ and tried to make out that I should go away and check it. So i open the paper I have and show her the 2.30 at Ascot, to which her brain clicks into gear and she works out that she is looking at the wrong page on the computer…
So i’m keeping pretty quiet at this point despite her being inept…then she finds the 2.30 at Ascot and says there are no prices because they have taken them off because it is too close to the off. This was 15 mins before the race. So i say what are you talking about there’s 15 mins to go to which she says to her mate, "if i don’t go out for a fag in a minute i’m gonna fu*king explode’ .
at which point I walked out. I have noticed them treating a lot of customers with contempt and there was no way that I was gonna let her do the same with me.
sixfieldsboy
Believe me if I bet I am not gambling, and the inference that I do seems rathr insulting. I only bet where I believe I have an edge. On occasions that edge may be illusory but on other occasions it will be stronger than I thought. My betting these days tends to be on jump racing in Scotland and the North, on a group of horses that I am familiar with.
I am more than capable of using my loaf, and that’s why I have a chance of coming out ahead.
If your posts truly reflect what you think about racing then I do wonder why you bother to waste time on the sport. But then I’ve covered this ground in discussion with Nor1 as well.
I will continue to bet where I consider I can gain an edge and I will be confident that I can come out ahead. More to the point though I treat ‘inside information’ with a good deal of distain since it is often tainted by self interest and the source’s bias. In fact it often suits me that ‘information’ makes a horse shorter odds than it should be if it makes my considered selection a longer price. I included Ryminster in my Kelso preview recently, posted well before the Race (yuk, I sound like a tipster!) because I’dspotted a pattern in the horse’s form that the market seemed to haev ignored. It won at 14/1. That’s the sort of bet which gives me a chance of coming out ahead and will continue to do so.
I don’t agree with some of the views expressed by a number of posters on this thread, but I’d be only to happy to discuss the matters with them on course sometime. If anyone is coming to Musselburgh this Friday maybe thay can point out to me all the shennanigans that are going on at the meeting, who is pulling the strokes and when. Alternatively the only shennanigans I’m likely to see is Mrs McGregors More Shennanigans, though don’t give it much of a thought unless it’s droppedcto the lowest level handicap.
There’s clearly no convincing some. If you want to see demons you can find them or imagine them. They exist but there are a good deal less of them than some would have us believe.
Rob
Rob, you sound entirely sensible and probably aren’t the type that the industry feeds off and bleeds dry. If you stick to a course that you know inside out and horses you know inside out, then you probably cut down your chances of being affected by any potential malpractise. Good luck to you
They should put mokeys on the back of the horses. Actually in some of the races I have seen monkeys would have done a better job
I find some of the posts on this thread laughable quite frankly. Some don’t want to discuss the subject at all (will not help) and some seem to be approaching the sport with some sort of corinthian spirit that simply does not exist in reality.
sixfieldsboy
I’m perfectly happy to discuss the matter with anyone on this thread, whatever their opinion. I post under my own name and anyone who wishes to discuss my opinions face to face only has to let me know when they are visiting Scotland and I’d be quite happy to have a chat about the game.
The thread is about corruption being ‘endemic’ in the game. If I honestly beleived that corruption was blighting the game to that extent then I very much doubt any interest in it.
There are faults with some parts of racing, the organisation of the sport could certainly be improved and I that point I feel many on here have positive contributions to make towards that, just a few being in a postiion to have a minor influence.
A few on here quite happily ramble on about how the game is ‘bent’ yet are clearly still quite happy to bet on it.
Schooling in public still happens but is infinitely better policed than it was in my younger days. I’ve covered this before on this thread, but the strokes that were pulled in the 60s and 70s wouldn’t have an earthly of getting past the stewards these days. Stewards are much maligned, but the standard of their performance has made a quantum leap over the last 20 years, aided by knowledgeable stewards’ secretaries and a plethora of new technology in the video field.
Jockeys Jumping off horses? Quite frankly I get cheesed off with this old chestnut that gets aired too regularly on the Forum. Denis O’Regan was accused of ‘jumping off’ Artless at Perth when the horse violently changed direction in mid-air over the first hurdle giving O’Regan no earthly chance of staying aboard. Another incident where the hypothesis of ‘jumping off’ was aired saw a hurdler at Cartmel whack a hurdle then stumble shooting the jockey over the head. It’s like catching a stick in the spokes of your bike and wondering why you disappear over the handlebars, as I did when I was younger, and it ain’t fun! The only genuine jump-off accusation that stuck was that of Sean Fox at Fontwell, and I wasn’t 100% convinced that one. I can believe that one or two have taken the jump off route on a few nutcase novice chasers but that’s purely self preservation.
Laying on Betfair has opened up an avenue for corruption and one I’m sure has been used by people within the game. However, policing of Betfair accounts and tracking of mobile phone records means there is a big risk attached. Can anyone honestly say that bookmakers wouldn’t have tapped jockeys sometime in the past and layed horses on information received. Yes it happens, but it’s policed and, even if some of the charges don’t stick, the exercise of attempted prosecutions at least lets the accused know that the authorities are aware of them.
In built bias against the punter? Of course there is, always has been and always will be, it’s called the bookies’/layers’ margin.
A ‘proven scandal’ damaging the sport. It may do in the short term, but in the long-term I doubt it. In my opinion, Keiran Fallon is a proven idiot but no more than that. If nothing else a scandal where the perpetrator is caught at least signals that the sport is addressing it’s problems. There will be uninformed rubbish written in the papers, but then that happens on an everyday basis about a myriad of subjects and ‘todays news is tomorrows chip paper’.
‘Luckily for the powers that be in racing, the british working class (and it is these people that keep the sport going!) will bet on the toss of the coin and would probably bet tails on a two headed coin if you sold em it properly.’ – For ‘racing’ read ‘life’, and ’twas ever thus! People are greedy, they want something for nothing. People go into betting shops and play on fruit machinesand, worse of all bet on cartoon racing, which sums up the betting public to me. To a certain extent if these people are betting on racing ‘against me’ then bring ’em on, more chance if I’m opposing ill-informed money.
I’m clearly p***ing in the wind against a few on this thread. I’m normally have a ‘cup half full’ outlook rather than a ‘cup half empty’ view and I suspect I’m preaching to the unconvertable with some.
There are corrupt elements in the game, as in all walks of life, but the game itself is not inherently corrupt.
A well reasoned response and we will have to agree to disagree. Being on the side of the high street punter (who are up against it, lets face it), I believe that the sport needs to do everything in it’s power to create a level playing field as possible.
There are any number of reasons (i.e trainers playing the handicap system and the bookies overround etc etc) that legitimately put the punter at a disadvantage. What we don’t need is any more hinderances to a fair bet!
Maybe the game is not inherently corrupt but it is most definately heavily biased against the general betting public. Get the balance wrong and you could fatally damage the sport amongst its bread and butter support. How long will the likes of Kenyon sniff around malpractise within the sport without uncovering something serious?
I find some of the posts on this thread laughable quite frankly. Some don’t want to discuss the subject at all (will not help) and some seem to be approaching the sport with some sort of corinthian spirit that simply does not exist in reality.
Horse racing has always and will always be a sport who’s very existance
is based around (to whatever extent) the exchange of information between those in the know i.e. Trainers, jockeys, bookies, owners etc etc to the detriment (unfortunately) of those out of the loop i.e. the average punter in the bookies, online and on the course. This is am inbuilt bias that cannot be altered no matter how clean the sport is.If you add into the mix the playing of the handicap system, schooling in public, laying on betfair, jockey’s holding back and jumping off horses etc etc the game becomes even more biased against the average punter.
Luckily for the powers that be in racing, the british working class (and it is these people that keep the sport going!) will bet on the toss of the coin and would probably bet tails on a two headed coin if you sold em it properly.
As with any racket there has to be a fine line kept in the balance between those in the know making a whole lot of money and those out of the loop in the bookies making small bits and pieces here and there (and lets not forget that a few quid here and there adds up to multi millions profits). As such those that regulate horse racing have to come down tough on any obvious corruption because the sport is teetering on the verge of a proven scandal that could devestate the sport once and for all. They were very close with the Fallon case i.m.o.
Perhaps this thread would be better spent rooting out the obvious problems with racing and working out any improvements that could help a sport we all love
Scoop six is a total joke. Why place the responsibility of a massive pool on awful races at awful tracks such as Lingfield? It encourages corruption because the prize money for the race itself is so far out of proportion with the scoop six jackpot. I take a small amount of satisfaction that I would never bet on half those races let alone half those horses that won the jackpot usually. Although obviously the moolah woud come in handy!
Strange topic for my first post but here goes.
It’s no secret that racing is institutionally ‘less than straight’, the very existance of the handicap system means that trainers have to play a game in order to get their horses on winnable marks. There’s no point in pretending that every horse in a race will be 100% all out to win because they aren’t. Then you have the whole schooling in public debate, jockeys holding back horses, laying on betfair etc etc
What we should do is take it as granted that the sport is institutionally corrupt and then do everything to cut the corruption down. A viewpoint that the powers that be within racing probably do take already.
Can’t believe really that on a racing forum with considered posters, people will come on here and proclaim that the sport isn’t bent!
