The Solution To Dropping Hands

[Gingertipster]

There is no solution to to dropping hands.

Whatever the punishment a jockey faces, it will always happen from time to time. Because connections dislike their horses winning by too far, believing the handicapper will put the horse up more. Other times it is the jockey just posing.

I do not like the solution of forcing everyone to ride out to the line. Otherwise horses with possible injuries might be made worse or even fatal. Or at best prevents a horse who has done its best, being eased. If they made exceptions jockeys might say, “I felt it take a bad step”, no steward could tell for certain if true or not.

The handicapper could be very cautious when horses win easily, putting them up more than he would had it been driven out. Connections would soon get the message it was in their best interests. But to deliberately give a horse more weight than the handicapper thinks it warrants seems wrong.

This is my favoured way:

Away from this subject; when the winner interferes with the second, where the second would’ve won; the placings are changed, because the wrong horse won.

When there is a dead heat both winners are paid out half.

So when it looks as if a jockey has dropped his hands and lost the race:
The stewards should hold an enquiry. Let’s say they find the horse who was going to be the obvious winner, lost because the jockey dropped his hands. Then (for betting purposes only) announce “wrong result”. All bets then settled as if a dead heat. Bets on the winner and the one who would have won being paid out half.

I believe those who backed the actual winner would be grateful of winning anything and not begrudge those who should have picked up the whole amount (had the jockey not dropped his hands). And those on the second are still a bit miffed, but again relieved to get some winnings back (not as now get nothing). In my opinion this the fairest solution for both punters and bookies too.

Connections of the loser should not get anything as it is a deterrent for the jockey not to do it again and prevents owner and trainer reimbursing the jockey. It also helps to stop those unscrupulous enough to drop their hands on one who is difficult to win with (idles badly in front). The jockey gets a ban in the same way as he does now.

Would this work? Is it fair? Have I overlooked something?

Like to know what trf members think.

Mark
The Ginger Preacher

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[sixfieldsboy]

They should put mokeys on the back of the horses. Actually in some of the races I have seen monkeys would have done a better job

[andyod]

It seems to me that jockeys who drop hands have misjudged their ride on the horse.They got to the front too soon or underestimated what they had left in the tank when making their effort. Now they add insult to injury by dropping their hands.
On another subject surely a jockey who pulls up a horse in a NH race is not getting the best possible result from his horse and should be penalized if the rule are taken seriously?

[Aragorn]

Would this work? Is it fair? Have I overlooked something?

Like to know what trf members think.

Mark
The Ginger Preacher

Betfair? This is almost encouragement Ginge… Not a workable solution in my opinion.

No system is ever perfect.

[Gingertipster]

Would this work? Is it fair? Have I overlooked something?

Like to know what trf members think.

Mark
The Ginger Preacher

Betfair? This is almost encouragement Ginge… Not a workable solution in my opinion.

No system is ever perfect.

How is it encouragement Aragorn, if connections recieve nothing?

Mark

Value Is Everything

[Cav]

How is taking away a few bob in second place prizemoney when the beast has been layed for thousands on BF a deterent?

12 month bans would soon sort it, not that it happens too much these days anyway.

[Aragorn]

What Cav says…

[clivex]

There is no solution to to dropping hands.

There is

chop em off!

Thats what i say. Just like in Saudi

Pickle them in jars and leave them in weighing room as a warning too

[kentdougal]

There is

chop em off!

Thats what i say. Just like in Saudi

Pickle them in jars and leave them in weighing room as a warning too

I just can’t stand you wishy washy liberals lets really go for some punishment!!!

[Gingertipster]

There is

chop em off!

Thats what i say. Just like in Saudi

Pickle them in jars and leave them in weighing room as a warning too

I just can’t stand you wishy washy liberals lets really go for some punishment!!![

As long as you get yours chopped off for any mistake you make in your work.

Mistakes happen, and will always happen.

mark

Value Is Everything

[Gingertipster]

How is taking away a few bob in second place prizemoney when the beast has been layed for thousands on BF a deterent?

12 month bans would soon sort it, not that it happens too much these days anyway.

Cav,
The bans would still be in place, the same as they are now. This I thought might be a fairer result for the punter.

If it has been laid for thousands then there are rules in place to find out.

I only said connections money should be witheld because I do not want the jockey to be reinbursed by owner and trainer from their winnings. And do not think they deserve any share of prizemoney.

Mark
the Ginger Preacher

Value Is Everything

[Cav]

I dont know where your going with this Ginge, you start off by stating there is no solution to dropping hands and you finish by suggesting a detterent to dropping hands.

Its not something that bothers me that much to be honest but I do like your reimbursement idea.

[rory]

As always, Clive is the voice of (t)reason.

[Gingertipster]

I dont know where your going with this Ginge, you start off by stating there is no solution to dropping hands and you finish by suggesting a detterent to dropping hands.

Its not something that bothers me that much to be honest but I do like your reimbursement idea.

The detterent would be the same as it is now, that is not changed.

There is no solution because this type of thing is always going to happen again, whatever the detterent. (Unless the punishment is so severe it does not fit the crime, like some seem to want)

My "solution" is not a solution to stop it happening again, just what I believe would be a fairer result for the punter when it happens again.

Mark

Value Is Everything

[Cav]

Connections of the loser should not get anything as it is a deterrent for the jockey not to do it again and prevents owner and trainer reimbursing the jockey

then….

The detterent would be the same as it is now, that is not changed

.

You’ve lost me now Ginge, I still like your reimbursement idea though. Can you suggest it to the exchanges as well as the firms please.

[Gingertipster]

Connections of the loser should not get anything as it is a deterrent for the jockey not to do it again and prevents owner and trainer reimbursing the jockey

If connections (owner and trainer) get any money from the race, they may choose to reimburse the jockey for any time off etc. Trainers and owners do not like jockeys winning by too far as they believe the handicapper will put the horse up more than what he would when eased down.
By not giving trainer and owner any prizemoney in a dropped hands case, they are less likely to want a jockey to ease up. Though I agree it is not much money in a poor race.

then….

The detterent would be the same as it is now, that is not changed

.

You’ve lost me now Ginge, I still like your reimbursement idea though. Can you suggest it to the exchanges as well as the firms please.

The detterent for the jockey not to do it again (in my rules), is exactly the same as it is now, holidays etc.

Mark

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