Forum Replies Created
- Posts
Restrictive practices, eh, Paul?
Sadly, that seems to be the norm for so many who enjoy "official power" over ordinary racegoers.
Getting into some tracks would make a man feel like some sort of unwelcome criminal, whereas footballers , sports-writers and ex-bookies seem to have carte blanche to go and do whatever they wish.
Oh well, perhaps I’d be as well joining the ol’ langars after all.
Sorry to hear that Towcester is so bad, but at least nobody asks for their money back!
I agree with most of the views in the thread, but , sadly,lads, I hate soccer nowadays and I wouldn’t look out the window at it if they were playing in the garden. In fact, I think i’d call the Gardai, especially if it were Cork!
Only joking.
One thing that keeps me going in this ridiculous trivial pursuit we call racing, is that most times when things are really really bad, I manage to get a result that puts the smile back on the dial.
Ludlow a couple of months ago is an example. The mist was down and i could see nothing. It was cold, damp and miserable and so were my bets!
Last race, the rotten old bumper, and I hit the exacta – a bet I rarely play.
Not brilliant, but saved my bacon.I still think I need one of those "Press" badges, though!
It’s the overheads, you understand.Sean Rua.
Interesting, Zoso.
I’m afraid I have a couple of questions still.
If, this bounce theory is something to do with the two races following a lay-off, but is NOTHING to do with a return from injury or sickness ( as you said), does that mean that the lay-off was just a seasonal thing or what?
There again, maybe you have a different definition than the one being used here?
Second question is
what’s the name of this most successful tipping set-up you mention, please?My own view on horse performance is purely an opinion: I believe most horses under-perform after a good performance. I think this applies to other activity too – including human. Check some of today’s winning jockeys; what did they do in their next race?
I have no proof, of course, other than being let down many times by NTO not being a patch on LTO.
Btw, I’m glad to hear that your punting is going well.
Can’t understand why a thread that is basically having a go at Dave Nevison’s punting prowess turns into an attack on Barry Dennis.
I doubt whether I’m in Welsh Wizards’s league, but I, too, travel about on the iron rattlers to go punting on course. In fact, I still see Barry on his pitch, but I haven’t seen Dave for ages. I thought he’d packed it up as a bad job, to be honest.
Good luck to them both.All in all, I think Welsh Wizard’s points are probably accurate. I also think the point made about the Press Room rings true.
Btw, has anyone one of those dodgy "Press" badges to spare? I could do with a bit of free admission myself!
Let’s not forget that when it comes to TV, we are back into the showbizz aspect of the game; having something to sell to the public, then publicity is everything in this advertising and media-driven age.Reality may be something else.
And how will the muscles feel on the third race ( or game), ie
after the "bounce"?I did physical work myself for years. In the latter years, injuries and age caught up with me, and, before that, my sporting days came to an end, for similar reasons.
About this bounce theory,perhaps, we should ask; why the long lay-off in the first place?
If, as seems likely, it was because of injury or illness, then, maybe we have our answer: the adrenalin and excitement in the first race back is enough to enable running though the " pain barrier", even if the wounds re-open.
Next race, we’re crocked again before we start. This time we can’t raise it.So,bounce.
I suppose it all depends on how much of a bang you get for your buck!
Personally, I’ve had much enjoyment from watching a trotting race in a farmer’s field ( £4 admission) than I have had at Goodwood when the mist comes in.
I’m afraid Kempton has always been very deflating in recent years. I can’t think why I still go there. Perhaps I should try Brentford or QPR!Btw, Towcester is good value, especially for people who live in or near Milton Keynes.
I am convinced, from what I saw on TV and, from what the local residents have told us, that the ground at Ascot was very WET. I leave the description of the going for others to argue over.
Now, until it can be proven that the unusual times stem from inaccurate race distances, I shall assume that those horses that managed to run well on wet ground, when others seemed to flounder, had some sort of natural advantage in the conditions.
In other words, the "fast" horses were able to find their feet. Now, unless this is a purely physical attribute of the horses in question, I shall suggest again that we look at the actual make-up of the track material for clues.Can some animals find a good solid purchase under the wet top, while others cannot?
Certainly, on the AW, we find that some horses can cope and others don’t.Finally, I think that training methods could be another important factor in this. Sometimes, we see an animal that appears to romp through everything and anything. Just one of those things? You tell me.
Sean Rua.
Yes, there are some terribly pricey racecourses in Britain, imo. I think I must be obsessed with the game to pay some of the prices!
To date, Longchamp, for the Arc, has been the best value course I’ve attended, judging by
the quality per euro,
the comfort and ease per euro.Apart from the costs, I think that going racing has many advantages, but then, I love it, so I’m biased.
Personally, I don’t see too much evidence of the Table at the races ( not that I don’t understand it, Ginge, I do!) and, even the few on-course arbers that are left, don’t seem to be frantically working out percentages any more.
What does happen is that most people with phones or computers are taking a lot of heed of the Exchanges. When there’s only one Big3 rep, he too is just following the instructions that come over the phone.
Looking around, it is often the case that bigger prices are available than the ones reported, or, the ones mentioned over the tannoy by the commentator.
I would agree that the whole charade is a bit of a nonsense, but then, this is the gambling industry, and not a concert for charity.The majority of those who take SP couldn’t care less even though they are never done moaning about how terrible it all is etc.
I can see that this may affect the returns for those who have invested in multiples, but that’s the risk they have been prepared to take, I suppose.I cannot help feeling that the answer lies in the soil. When they re-vamped Ascot, I believe some track changes were made; don’t know what; don’t know how, but things seem different.
Certainly, the ground looked very wet, from the few pictures I saw on terrestial TV. Your man with the stick had very wet shoes, imo, yet front-running looked to be a fairly successful tactic.
Perhaps, things looked way different from Pat Pong or Pattaya or wherever it is that Fist Fantasy does all his viewing and punting, but, I have to admit that I’m one who has a lot to learn, for,
as soon as I think I have a course weighed up, they rip the thing up and send me scurrying back to the drawing board, to the Table, and all the other seemingly essential aids to punting.Roll on Cheltenham; roll on Chester!
And wouldn’t it be easier still for the Big3 to play directly on the Exchanges, when they need to shorten one?
Imo, they do this already. I often see just one rep on course.
I agree that shop prices are terrible, but this isn’t something new, is it? As Ginger may have found out by now, few shop -players care much about the Table etc.
Picking the winner and, as a result, feeding the ego, seems to be more important than making a profit to many people who like racing." In answer to your question Sean "Is a pigs ass pork?"
—-
Not before processing, Fist, but what’s that got to do with the price of bacon?
I intend being there myself, even though I hate the place.
Sean Rua
Hard to know what to believe, after reading though the thread, imo.
We should not forget that FOF has "lost more down the back of his couch" than the rest of us have ever won in our lives; he is also a 6ft 5” martial artist, who is/was a works-rider, owner, and generally successful businessman and punter.
Everybody he met in the game was top-class. He shared some pleasant social occasions with the best in racing.This CV looks second to none, imo, so, when he says that losers can get on any amount they like, I think we should listen up.
Perhaps, there are ways to temporarily "take over" the accounts of "known losers" and thus do the business when the gamble is on?
After all, Fist manages alright in Thailand where a lot of gambling is illegal. In fact, I believe it is technically an offence for residents of old Siam to use betfair, but, there are several on messageboards who seem to run their racing-related businesses without a hitch from the beach-hut or wherever.So, given all this, I’ll guess that the gamble took place roughly as reported.
Well done them!
Are you coming back from Thailand to watch the race, Fist?
I’m not sure that either is guaranteed to run in the race, but, of the two, I don’t see Denman as being much inferior to KS at CHELTENHAM.
The course, with its hill finish, will be the key, imo.
Jonjo/McCoy are my chosen combo for this year’s Gold Cup.
Sean Rua.
Yes, Adrian, the prices at the trotting racing are probably equally as bad, imo!
On the point of bookies’ prices:
Surely, the odds-compilers are fully aware of Ginger’s table etc. Do we think they deliberately disregard the probabilities in order to promote popular but weak fancies?
I think it’s more than just the overround that provides the so-called value opportunity arising from "ricks" in the market.
Sean Rua.
