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true.it is going to be tarted up but there’s no hurry all i wont to do it make money for those involved.
paceform.org
So what is paceform.org?
It looks like a one-man-band tipping service. I don’t know whether I am heartened or put off by the fact that it looks so amateurish. Good luck to them anyway and as a free service (it says) you can’t really grumble.
Its a 2 man band and yes im no computer geek but imo its winning that matters.
I wish I could make a more positive contribution to this thread, because it is a subject I am very interested in. Unfortunately, I’ve never done a study of pace. Don’t have the werewithal.
When I was compiling my own ratings I noticed, in addition to the normal things such as York and N’ket are best and Chester is whatever etc, that the results at Newbury don’t tend to mean much – they are not translated into other performances. I know that even in races starting in the back straight a draw near the rail is advantageous, but I was at a loss to understand what other factors may be at work. I even went as far as thinking it might be the nature of the soil (used to be an airfield during WW2) or the grass
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Would you have any insights into Newbury, I mean on the Flat.one thing for sure about going is that you cant go from track to track and except their going report.Some tracks use a stick.Those sticks are thin and go into the ground a horses hoof is a different.Is like comparing wearing stilettos and big boots.depending where you are in the country the ground is different.
You can’t JUST go by the pace – surely you have to take into account the kind of track being run on previously and this time. Some will be more suited to frontrunners or holdup horses than others.
Some tracks will be more conducive to an even pace being set, while others may have features that prompt a sprint for home etc.When it comes to frontrunners, or horses that are in the lead in the last couple of furlongs, I, I suppose like everyone else, love horses that can fight off more than one challenge. Haven’t particularly noticed any since I started betting again, and suppose I won’t until Saturday 28th March…
each track produces a different pace.Good example is wolves and lingfield.Even if a horse wanted to go as fast has he runs at lingfield the bends wont let him.Thats why many horses dont like going from one to the other.
yes i did.I didnt think the blinds would make him run like that and set the race up for someone else.You cant always get it right.
I am trying to take account of pace, but I find it difficult. I’ve come across races described as set off at a fast pace, but because none of the horses were off the bridle, it didn’t seem so to me at the time.
Of course, we don’t have sectional timimg in this country, so anyone prepared to put in the time infront of the video with a stopwatch, or whatever, is going to gain an edge against the crowd.
What I do try to take account of is how many frontrunners there are in a race. A half-dozen runner affair with a single frontrunner, ridden by someone like Dettori at a course like Goodwood is just about the perfect betting medium.
Hi Gerald,
The more front runners normally means a faster pace..That also normally means the front runners will not be winning in that kind of race.Its very hard for a horse to stay up there when being taken on esp when they have moved quickley from a stand still.Look at the champion hurdle today.Osana went way to fast.You cant blame the jockey but he went way to fast.If he went a little slower the runner up would probably of won.Horses seem to use more energy from the front esp if they battle with other horses for the lead.You should not necessarily judge everyone by the company you yourself choose to keep.
I find you pompus at best.These guys I talk about I work with.I can’t choose my work mates can I?I work for an internet betting company so you can imagine that many like to gamble.
I notice you use the 80-20 rule when placing bets. Do you not think it’s this, rather than your pace analysis, that’s producing the goods?
In any case, do you not realise that this method has been patented?
I use the method i didnt steel it.And its the pace that produces the results.I only ever look at the pace.And from that i look for suited horses.
I think you will find that many "weights and measures guys" are well aware of the effect of pace.
Precisely who is being fooled by what here?
I have found many weights and messures guys also have no idea.They go by the handicap full stop.
lol.Im a winner so i must be very lucky.I would bet you are not like most people.By the way i had to look sage up.
paceform.org
I’m trying to say that pace is everything and weight means very little. These 1/2 tonne animals can carry weight and dose it affect them?.Not much Imo.And the split screen today showed how the pace affects the race.When i say fooled by the randomness i mean that when a weights and measures guy gets a winner he thinks he on to something but really its random luck and the fact that some trainers will try harder when their horse seems to be well in(at the weights).I hope that makes sense.I’m not much of a writer…..
paceform.org
I hand-timed it at 4.01 but I started as they started running so does that make it towards the back end of good to soft but with a drying week to come, so it should progress through good to Kauto ground by friday?
Maybe not a good week for soft ground horses – it looked good to me.
100% right. Imo kauto will win if there is no rain.The ground will be fast by the end of wednesday.Its nearly good to frim by the first race tomorrow.
By the way carp horses start slower and finish faster so dont be fooled by the time of a race.A good horse would leave the carp ones behind and beacause they are pack animals would try and chase and soon be cooked.So no leave your 111 where it should be.
think about it.The track record "3m 48.10s" that was done on firm ground.Every year they get the going wrong.Why do you think there were horses getting hurt.It was way to fast.So when you compare goings from back years you cant use the offical going as a bench mark.when horses do a time of 3.52 then the going was firm then.today it was 4.00s odd the going is good……
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