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Message on the ATR site to its users:
"Dear User,
attheraces.com has attracted a significant number of new users over the last two weeks and many have made suggestions as to how we can further develop our website.
Customer feedback of this nature is extremely important to us and we want to let you know that we now have a scheduled programme of new developments on our site over the next two weeks and into the New Year.
The new developments suggested by you, our users, will be gradually introduced onto the site rather than released in one go. The means we can make them available to users at the earliest moment.
Many of the new developments will be minor. Today, for example, we’ve changed our form pop-up to show draw position in the career history – which appears in brackets after the result – rather than requiring the user to access the full result. Collectively, we hope that the developments will make a big difference to all our 570,000 monthly unique users.
To suggest developments of your own, use the Contact Us form and select Website Feedback.
Many thanks for your support in 2008.
Matthew Taylor
Head of Online
At The Races"Clearly people are talking with their feet (or mouse clicks) as to their thoughts on the new RP site and taking their business elsewhere…
Excellent to see ATR reacting to this and building on their already good site to attract even more people.
Ha ha…great minds Cavelino!
I imagine the confusion has been caused through the difference between the publication on the Racing Admin site and in the Racing Calendar.
For the avoidance of doubt, this comes from the Orders & Rules of Racing:
24. Handicappers in making a Handicap, shall allot the weights to be carried in accordance with the definitions of a Handicap and a Handicap Rating and the provisions of Orders 94 and 95, together with, in races for horses of more than one age, a deduction in accordance with the appropriate weight for age allowance as provided under Appendix A, B or D as the case may be to these Orders and Rules and, in respect of horses foaled between July 1st and December 31st in the Southern Hemisphere, in such races for a single age, a deduction in accordance with the difference between the appropriate weight for age allowances in Appendix A or B as the case may be, and those in Appendix D.
All Handicap Ratings will apply for qualification purposes for races closing on the Tuesday, after publication on that day on the Racing Administration Internet Site, through to the following Monday, or as the British Horseracing Authority shall decide. Weekly amendments to these Handicap Ratings will also be published each Thursday in the Racing Calendar.
The weights for all Handicaps which close more than six days before running shall be published on the Racing Administration Internet Site and in the Racing Calendar, and those for other Handicaps shall be published on the Racing Administration Internet Site.
No alteration shall be made to a weight after publication, except that by express permission of the Directors a weight may be affixed for a horse duly entered, but whose name or weight has been omitted from the Handicap, or a correction may be made when, through an error, an incorrect weight has been published.
Such alterations or additions may only be made up to noon on the Friday before the first declaration of forfeit or,
in races for which there is no declaration of forfeit,
not later than 2 p.m. 48 hours before the afternoon of the day upon which the race is advertised to be run or, not later than 2 p.m. 72 hours before the afternoon of the day upon which the race is advertised to be run where declaration to run under Order 124 (ii) is two days before the advertised running of the race.
Are the ratings on a publically accessible site or is it only for industry insiders?
They are on the Racing Post site usually…..
Not that that helps at the moment!
Up to date ratings only appear on the RP site when a horse is entered to run with its new rating. Be v careful with their handicap mark data. It can often be out of date for the above reason.
Cockney Trucker won a hurdle on Saturday so therefore will be entitled to a rating following that run. His rating will have been published at 10am yesterday (Tuesday) morning.
I think they are posted somewhere on http://www.britishhorseracing.com but I don’t know quite when and how regularly.
Ratings are usually published the Tuesday morning following the horse’s qualifying run.
However, a trainer can request that the rating is not published but they would want it to be if it were to run in handicap obviously.
To look out for in 2009 – could we add Campbell Gillies to this list please? Not sure if he has been mentioned yet because I haven’t got time to read through 4 pages of replies on the thread – sorry if I’m repeating what has already been said. I feel if Ryan Mania has been nominated then a jockey of the same age but a much higher calibre deserves a nomination as well.
Gillies has had a terrific season so far and, despite being attached to Lucinda Russell for whom he has ridden 4 winners this season, he has also ridden more than one winner for C Grant (5), Mrs K Walton (3), Howard Johnson (2) and Keith Reveley (2). He has also shown incredible skill for a young jockey in encouraging some very stale and fairly unwilling horses to win. He has been riding regularly for Howard Johnson lately.
He was also picked up by Ferdy Murphy earlier in the year to ride Noir Et Vert in the Scottish National at which point Murphy said he believed Campbell could easily become the first Scottish Champion Jockey.
Finally, he also took out his flat licence this summer in order to build his experience which resulted in him riding 2 winners…not bad for a jump jockey!
Thanks
I think you will find that the current site is being pulled on Monday
Looks like I might be moving to the SportingLife tomorrow then.
did you know that keith dalgliesh one of the best and up coming jockeys started his career as a flapping jockey, until his weight took control. also 2007 succesfull aprentice champion greg fairley started as a flapping jockey on our borders flapping tracks. greg was a very good jockey whom took over from his father andrew fairley who now assists in daily riding for mark johnstone. Andrew rode 100s of winners and was one one of the best there has been on flapping tracks.our flapping has grown over the last 3-4 years and is getting more competative each year with more and more runners each season.
last years flapping champion jockey tyrone williams is returning back under the rules after takeing necessary time off and i wish him good luck.Should you really be outing these people on a public forum if they are intending on returning to racing under rules?
Someone asked earlier what a disqualified person can and can’t do as to whether Blockey’s wife might take out the licence. (can’t be bothered to go back and find the message and hit quote!)
From the Orders and Rules of Racing (these are currently being rewritten I believe so where it says HRA, read BHA):
A disqualified person, so long as his disqualification lasts, shall not:-
205. (i) Act as a Steward or Official at any Recognised Meeting.
205. (ii) Act as an Authorised Agent under these Orders or Rules.
205. (iii) Except as provided by Rule 181(iii), enter, run, train or ride a horse in any horserace at any Recognised Meeting. If any entry made by a disqualified person be mistakenly or inadvertently accepted, the same shall despite such acceptance be void and the horse shall not be qualified to be entered or to start.
205. (iv) Enter any premises licensed by the HRA subject to Sub-Rule (v) below.
205. (v) Except with permission of the HRA be employed in any racing stable.
205. (vi) Deal in any capacity with a racehorse (for example, but without imposing any limitation on the absolute prohibition by this Rule, by selling or placing shares in a horse). Any horse found by the HRA to have been dealt with in contravention of this Rule shall be automatically declared to be disqualified from all future racing until such time as the HRA are satisfied that the horse has been sold on the open market to a purchaser having no previous connections with the disqualified person concerned, whereupon the disqualification shall be removed.
Lerida is a so and so. Used to ride it. If anyone could predict that horse then they would have to be psychic.
Cheers Lekha,I knew six days came into it somewhere along the line.
No worries. I know it’s long but I thought I would post the whole lot because it might answer a few other questions that have arisen in this thread.
The full non runner regulations as per the Orders and Rules Of Racing is below:
NON-RUNNERS
144. (i) Every qualified horse which has been declared a runner in a race under Order 124 (ii), which has not been eliminated as provided for in Order 125, or has been declared as a reserve in a race and is subsequently allocated a run, shall run in that race unless the provisions of Sub-Rules (iii) or (viii) below apply and subject to the provisions of Sub-Rule (vi). If any horse whether qualified or not which has thus been declared a runner, or is declared as a reserve and is subsequently allocated a run, does not run in that race the Trainer or, if the horse is not in the care of a licensed or permitted Trainer, the Owner, shall pay a penalty of £140 unless either:-(a) (i) the Trainer submits a satisfactory veterinary certificate to the British Horseracing Authority Office within 7 days of the race in which horse was declared to run under Order 124 (ii) (See Instruction D10), or
(ii) the Trainer informs the Racing Calendar Office by telephone and without delay that he has self-certified the horse as a non-runner. As a consequence the British Horseracing Authority will suspend the horse from running in Great Britain for six days commencing on the day following the day of the race for which it was self-certified or
(b) there is a change in the going on the day of the race from the going report either posted on the Racing Administration Internet Site or available from the Clerk of the Course or the person nominated by the Clerk of the Course on the day the horse was declared to run under Order 124 (ii), or
(c) the Trainer considers the horse will be unsuited by the going, provided the horse is on the racecourse and its identity has been verified by a Veterinary Officer from its passport on the day of the race, or
(d) the Trainer, his representative or the Owner is able to satisfy the Stewards on the day of the race that the failure of the horse to run was caused by other circumstances outside the reasonable control of the Trainer, his representative or the Owner, or
(e) the horse was prevented from running because under Rule 23(ix) the Rider was not allowed to weigh out, when the penalty referred to above shall be paid by the Owner, or
(f) the Stewards consider that the particular circumstances of the failure to run make it appropriate for some greater penalty to be imposed in which event the Stewards may exercise their powers specified in Rule 15 of the Rules of Racing.
