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On a positive note for the old boy, I loved the way he stayed on from another country to beat Natian at Kelso, and stayed on so well up the hill at Cheltenham.
You couldn’t really wish for much more from a horse bought to PTP…. he’s the lifetime horse dreams are made of for the small owner/rider/trainer, and she can look back with pride at all they achieved.
What memories.
My heart goes out to Val, she must be ripped apart. She’s not just lost a horse, she’s lost a partner.
Such a cracking horse did not deserve an end like that, and nobody who is so close to a horse deserves to lose them like that.
RIP Robbers Glen, and thinking of you, Val. xx
As the first, in the case of JHJ, endangered life and limb to both horse and jockey, for me there is no debate, it’s a no brainer.
ETA, sorry to be abrupt, but there is more to racing than the punter’s pocket……
There’s several worlds of difference between running a horse on something to stop it bleeding, and risking the life of horse and jockey by denerving.
They also can’t stop the trainer the way they can stop a jockey because of the knock on effect onto stable staff, the yard, other owners etc, whereas banning the jockey is only affecting the individual concerned.
FWIW, I dodn’t think jockeys should be banned until found guilty either.I know – my point was that it’s impossible to identify a horse by a leg injury. It would show that it’s not unique……..
It’s just whether or not it’s the same horse…….
I’ve found the photos of the ex JP horse with a similar but unhealed injury…….
Can I directly upload pics on here, or do I need to use a photobucket a/c?
At the risk of repeating myself, I’m sure it’s Pompadour – it’s my local track, and for the XC races they stand in the middle where the people are in the original photo.
Ah, so that’s not the same horse in the photo in France as the horse you have?
Or do you think she’s French bred?
Compulsory chipping for foals registered with Wetherbys came into effect in 1999 or 2000, and I guess it’s the same in France too, so she must be at least 11 or 12. So the 1997 date is probably right.
What kind of passport does she have? Who is the PIO?I assume the owners who didn’t pay the livery had her proper passport?
Poor girl, it’s scary how these horses are passed around from pillar to post once out of racing
I’m pretty sure it’s Pompadour – the Lion fences don’t have the bank going onto the track like that, whereas Pompadour does. It’s not flat enough for Pau.
ETA – apologies, AngloGerman – I was getting Lyon and Lion mixed up – I’ve never been to Lyon, so I can’t comment on that……
Are we sure that’s JPs French colours? I’ve been on the FG site but it’s sooooo slow…..
I might have a clue how the mare came over, and be able to trace her – I need to know all the info about the previous owners though. If you don’t want to put it on here, can you message me?
I’ve seen this same lump before – on a well known JP horse from France now sadly in a scummy situation in Britain. Or was – it might be dead now. I’m guessing it’s been a hurdling injury, or a treatment gone wrong, for something like sore shins…….
It looks like Pompadour – but unlikely to be a JP horse there……….where did your mate get the horse from?
ETA, if you know the name of the horse I can look it up……….
And Lennon in the seller tomorrow at Musselburgh – can’t wait to see the betting patterns on that…..
Yes and no, bute is like an aspirin (it’s also banned), so only a mild painkiller, whereas denerving is a permanent effect akin to a local anaesthetic.
Bute would only ease a bit of bruising, it would never mask something as serious as a major stay-apparatus such as a tendon breakdown.
By instigating and approving the operation, JHJ knew exactly what he was doing. It is a welfare issue for the horse for sure, but that’s not as serious as the threat to life.
ETA, sorry moehat, I didn’t know they were allowed to run on bute in the US, I thought it was just Lasix……
I work in Equine Welfare. However, I’m a huge supporter of racing, it’s been a major part of my life for years, and I fight against the bias perpetrated by Animal Aid and the likes.
The horse welfare aspect of this is not what has incensed me, it’s the potential to kill a jockey.
If a horse has had a tendon injury and returned to racing, it’s a given that the leg is far less likely to withstand a lot more racing, hence why trainers are more careful about ground etc. If the tendon (or other soft tissue injury) goes mid race, or at home, the horse feels the pain, and will alter his action to save putting more pressure on the leg.
The rider/jockey will then be aware of the immediate change when the pain kicks in and will pull up.
When the tendon starts to go at the site of the old injury in the case of a denerved horse, the horse will likely feel something, but not the same as an undoctored horse. So with what I said earlier, you have the potential scenario for a horse continuing to gallop on a leg that no longer functions, with the jockey unable to do anything to stop it. The potential for it to go easily fatally wrong for the rider is huge. Never mind the other horses/jockeys in the race, the crowds behind the rails etc.This is akin to potential manslaughter, make no mistake. And for that he should be stopped now. I really don’t think I’ve ever been so horrified in my life at JHJ’s cavalier attitude to safety.
After they came out the back straight the first time SA started to hang, and got noticeably worse drifting down his fences – jockey even puts his whip into his left hand to try and correct him after the fence where he pulled up. Horses hanging is a sure indication of discomfort.
PB must have felt the action change, but the horse didn’t look too sore – that’s indicative in itself?Denerving used to be relatively common in horses who suffered from navicular disease (erosion of the navicular bone ).With greater understanding and changes in treatment, it was realised the problem was not necessarily the bone giving pain but the deep flexor tendon within the foot. As a support mechanism for the entire lower leg, the dangers of making that permanently numb became very apparent.
If the horse can’t feel the pain of the tendon tearing, then the tendon will snap, and with no stay apparatus for the lower limb left, the bones will break.
To run horses in that scenario is immoral beyond belief. Not only will he likely kill the horse, as happened in this instance, he is putting the jockeys at even greater risk than they normally experience.Steroids are used in horses to build muscle, it’s a fairly common practice pre sales, or if weak horses are on some time off. It’s far less heinous a crime than the running of a denerved horse.
He should be banned for life. And no horses should be allowed to run from his yard until all vet records are checked.
