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betting: 4/1 Istabraq, See You Then, 9/2 Persian War, 5/1 Kribensis, 11/2 Monksfield, Dawn Run. 8/1 Comedy of Errors, Royal Gait 10/1 Bula, 12/1 Lanzarote. 14/1 Alderbrook, Sea Pigeon, Night Nurse. 16/1 Salmon Spray 20/1 Morley Street, 25/1 Gay Brief 25/1 Hardy Eustace, 50/1 Beech Road 100/1 Brave Inca 1000/1 Rooster Booster
god, I wished you worked as an odds compiler – I’d skin you within 3 weeks.
Kribensis should be around 25’s, Sea Pigeon & Night Nurse much shorter, Istabraq & See You Then a little bigger, Royal Gait bigger (maybe 25), same price Alderbrook, Beech Road about 150, and you are frankly insulting to Rooster Booster & Brave Inca who should be around 33. Bugger it here’s my list
Persian War 5
Night Nurse 6
Monksfield 7
See You Then 15/2
Istabraq 8
Sea Pigeon 8
Bula 8
Lanzarote 8
Comedy of Errors 10
Dawn Run 10
Kribensis 25
Royal Gait 25
Hardy Eustace 28
Brave Inca 33
Alderbrook 33
Rooster Booster 40
Morley Street 50
Salmon Spray 50
Gaye Brief 50
Beech Road 200This is supposed to be a bit of fun Smart ass!!!
I often wonder why they called me the Jockey back in the UK and I managed to retire to asia COS I WON SO MUCH MONEY!!!! bozo…..you so far of the mark Ladbokes must love ya……50/1 Salmon Spray who beat the previous years champion hands down. Anhilated the 2nd highest rated NH horse of all time in the Champion/……….you are some judge mate!! keep taking the tablets. bTW i made up the list and put a couple of horses in at silly prices……….What? you want me to put my first 3 in the first thre in the betting….get alife and don’t be coming near me with yer silly insults again
Forgot about this thread! Thanks for the reply Greyhound.
I seem to be having trouble with Mozilla and Windows Vista compatibility issues – a lot of sites are crashing.
When I use Internet Explorer there’s no problem so I will reluctantly revert to Mr Gates global monolpoly!
I feel I’ve been forced into it though so I’m gonna try to get a pirate copy of Microsoft Office to even things up a bit!!!
Don’t be updating if you do, spots pirates right away. I think it’s terrible you would even consider downloading Microsoft office 2007 with BitComet. What’s the world coming to
Never knew he was training Point to Pointers. I thought he had a few horses in training and was running them under rules. Not suprising though as he used to ride in point to points and was some sort of Champion when in his teens.
as a school kid I still remember my mam letting me having the Wednesday off to watch the Derby
She’d do time for that nowadays.
They used to have strikes every year in the car factories in Coventry when Cheltenham was on.
Personally, I never missed Cheltenham in 35 years if I wasn’t there I was at home sick watching it on the telly.
They would have hung my Mum
Won the Supreme Novices though and rated only behind Arkle by some ratings compilers. I’d have had him in my field.
Why? As brilliant a chaser as he was he was kicked into touch by Salmon Spray, at level weights beaten, fair and square.
No Flyingbolt in there?
Agree that Dawn Run and Kribensis are massive lays, and Night Nurse is overpriced at 14s.
Neither Brave Inca or Rooster Booster deserve their places in the field either.
The owners insisted they ran
One horse I knew well was Tregarron who was one of Ken Oliver’s stars when he was sending out 50 winners a season. He was full of devilment and would wait for the opportunity, drop a shoulder on you and deck you as quick as a flash. Another little game he used to play was to find the right tree, back up under it and try to push you off his back. But once on the racecourse he was a gentleman.
On the racecourse, Little Bay springs to mind and Sea Pigeon. If their jockeys didn’t time their runs to perfection, chances were they would basically stop when in front.
Very Promising carried his head so low at times you would think his knees would take his ears off when cantering down to the start. He was still an awesome talent.
But like your man says Challenger De Luc would be the quirkiest of them all. He could have been anything had he been genuine.play play Night Nurse 14/1 – any left?
lay lay See You Then 4/1Can’t change the prices can’t change the result help yourself lol
I’ll take the 100/1 about Brave Inca, at least he is still racing while all the others are way too old and will probably need the run
Seriously, being only 34 I didn’t see the likes of Sea Pigeon, Night Nurse, Bula etc so I would have to have a punt on Istabraq.
Mike
ps, where’s the dual Champion Hurdler of recent years (the name escapes me, I haven’t had my coffee yet
)Being a nice bookie you got a grand on Istabraq at 2/1 without any winners pre 1980 if you want it
Maybe Hardy Eustace ? he’s there ok
Maybe you forgot one in Aldaniti.
Generally they don’t come back.
Nick Dundee had the makings of a true champion. He would have eaten Looks like Trouble alive at Cheleteham whe he fell in that race, he was hack cantering at the time. He oozed class and was probably the best horse in the country until he got injured. He was never the same after and not many are.
Sadly I can’t see Kicking King coming back and winning any gold cups but he was tougher than most so hopefully he does come back and win some nice races.
I’m not living in the Uk now and that’s the first I have heard about this.
I vaguely remember Alan Merrigan but I remember Ridley well riding for old Arthur Stevenson. Great Jockey and a very popular guy among the other jockeys. Sorry to hear about both.
I don’t think for one minute they stopped this horse for financial gain and I think the ban is harsh.
The winner is obviuosly useful starting at odds on.
Murphy’s mount was unfancied and probably no where near 100%
Where the problems arise is the horse runs better than they expect and the Jockey has been told "go easy on him he will need the run"
Next thing you know we are all shouting non trier.
Keep in mind 10 lengths is a lot of ground to make up plus get into a fight fit with a much fitter animal and go on and win.
Probably the horse wouldn’t have won but I am not saying it’s right. Many people would have there cash on EW and they deserve better. Murphy must have **** for brains, if he could have finished 3rd, he should have done so.
If you are going to deliberatly stop a horse you make sure he is tucked away behind a few other horses and can’t go anywhere. you don’t run him in a race of this size for the whole world to see.
It’s not as if he is an unexposed animal you can have a massive touch on.
What I am saying is **** Happens and sometimes horses run better than you expect. But when you are told to do something in racing you do it or simply you won’t be riding for long.
Question: is there any truth in the rumour the stewards asked Timmy Murphy " what instructions were you given? and he supposedly replied "I was told to hold him up" Then the stewrds asked "When were you supposed to make your move?" and Timmy replied "at Wetherby next week"
The old one’s are the best.
Grand National pedantry forces me to put the record straight about Aintree stalwart Rondetto – he did in fact run in five Nationals, the last as a fourteen-year-old in 1970. He was partnered by Jeff King in four of his five outings in the race, with the only exception being in 1967 when Johnny Haine took the ride.
1965 – fell 26th
1967 – refused
1968 – fell 23rd
1969 – 3rd
1970 – u.r. 3rdThanks for correcting me Jack old memory not what it was. In the famouse gallagher race I had The Rip down as having finished 2nd to Arkle in one post and Rondetto in another. It was Rondetto one of my favs and I still got it wrong. shows you where my brain is at
Incidentally it used to be quite fashionable to run a 2 1/2 mile horse in the national hence Out and About running. Gay Trip was one of the best horses over 2 1/2 of his time and won the National in a canter.
Beadnell isn’t all that far from Crastor, they’re all roundabout Dunstanburgh Castle – I bet he used to exercise the horses on the beach, I think you can go from Beadnell up to Newton by the Sea – I’ll be able to imagine that when I walk the dog. Obviously a man who like to train by castles. There was another trainer in that area who, so I’ve been told got very drunk and drove into Seahouses Harbour, but we don’t know who it was [sorry, this isn’t funny it’s all gloom and doom..] Tony Dobbin is building a stables round that area with Rose Davidson…it’s a lovely part of the world with Kelso Racecourse and Alnwick point to point nearby…mo
Could it have been Norman (surname I can’t remember) a permit holder who owned a hotel and trained a vey good horse called Braw Lad that Donal Nolan rode for him. I am sure he did something nutty like that.
Of course you shouldn’t drink and drive as Steve Smith Eccles will tell you.
I heard he decided he had too much to drink and stopped his merc jumped in the back and went to sleep (very sensible) When he woke up and some guy who had stolen it was driving it down the motorway with him in the back. The guy stopped and ran like hell when he saw Steve pop his head up.Nice to see Corporal Clinger mentioned! Always fun to follow.
He was a real tough nut to crack and a class animal, Definately one of my favourites too.
My friend was thinking about sending a horse to Ascot he was entered in.
There was another horse in that race and my friend and I met John Francome at mussleburgh. I am pretty sure he was down to ride this other horse but I am going on memory so forgive me if I am wrong.
We asked him how good he thought the horse he was die to ride was and I will never forget what he said. Don’t bother coming he said "He takes off like a bat out of hell then quickens up" were his very words.
My friend never sent the horse and we sat down to watch the race on the telly as amatter of interest. Unfortuantely for Corporal Clinger the horse Francome was talking about was Desert Orchid who did exactly what francome had said he would do.
Corporal Clinger finished a very good 2nd about 15 lengths behind. . I made lots of money following him after that knowing he had finished 2nd to a horse the Champion Jockey thought was a flying machine.
I backed Red Maurader in the National and was wishing someone else was riding him over the last 3 fences. Always reminded me of an accident waiting to happen.
Red Marauder can no more jump Grand National fences cleanly than a puffin can play the glockenspiel, but he had with him absolutely the right man to get him round the course on that incredible day of borderline unraceable conditions – one who had done all his home work on him for years as Norman Mason’s assistant-in-name-only, one who knew what jumping frailties the gelding possessed, and one who knew what mistakes not to repeat having put him on the floor at first Bechers the previous year.
In the most savage test of horse and jockey I can ever recall in my lifetime, I note that horseman Guest and horseman Murphy were the only two to coax their mounts home without mishap. Ergo some point or other I was making.
gc
I saw Red Maurader at Ascot absolutely murder a good field and that’s why I backed him in the National. On his day he was a class act and my granny could have ridden him. Joking of course, she’s dead and was too heavy anyway. I just never liked the guy but many would disagree as you do.
I think you are a little bit over the top with the most savage test. Most horses fall or are pulled up when they have no chance. It’s along way but not a tough course by any stetch of the imagination. If It was at Hexam nothing would finish.
You should have been at Cheltenham when Ten Up won the gold cup just before it was abandoned. I saw horses dead on their feet that day and that was only the 2 miles races.
Richard Guest has won the National so my opinion is what it is, only an opionion. If he was as bad as I said he probably would never have got a chance to ride in the national. There’s no real bad jockeys out there or theywouldn’t be riding.
‘English champion Playful Act shattered the world record for a broodmare or broodmare prospect sold at public auction when her price soared to $10.5 million Monday on the opening day of the Keeneland breeding stock sale in Lexington. A furious bidding battle between Sheikh Mohammed’s bloodstock manager, John Ferguson, and his biggest rival, the Coolmore Stud team led by John Magnier, sparked the spectacular financial fireworks.
Ferguson emerged the winner, signing the ticket in the back of the sale pavilion behind the auction stand and saying Sheikh Mohammed’s determination to buy Playful Act was, in part, a tribute to the late Robert Sangster, who bred the 5-year-old daughter of Sadler’s Wells in the name of his Swettenham Stud.’
It goes on to say…
‘The former world mark of 4.6 million guineas ($9,358,608) was established last November by group I winner Magical Romance (in foal to Pivotal) at Tattersalls in England. James Wigan of London Thoroughbred Services purchased her for Lady Rothschild.’
These are absolutely phenomenal prices. In terms of broodmares, I’m a bit of novice. Could anybody shed any light on why these mares are being sold for so much after relatively little success? Is it simply because of their breeding lines? Thanks in advance.
I am no expert but I know when you are looking to buy a horse you go by the mare’s form and not the stallions, so obvously this mare must be very special. Put to a good stallion, which she will be, they will hoping for a good colt. If the colt has 4 legs and a tail and goes up for sale they will probaly sell it for a small fortune and have half their money back before the first one even runs….lot of ifs I know…..But bhey know what they are doing that’s why they are rich and we’re still trying to break Ladbrokes witha 10 quid yankee. These people don’t often back a duece when the chips are down.
