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Ever since 1928 when the tote was introduced there has been many who thought that any day they would now create a tote monopoly 1960 was a golden opportunity, with the Betting Shop Revolution.<br>But no this country has always pumped for a CHOICE. <br>in Betting.
We have the best of all oportunities here.<br>Tote<br>Fixed odds<br>Spead betting<br>Starting Prices<br>Exchanges.
And do you honestly beleave a move to a monopoly will be the best way foreward.
You must see that in france there is no such thing as a pro punter. unless he is betting into the illegal Marsielle<br>industry.
I am old fashioned and do like a choice.
But you may be right. but its not for me.
Cubone
Any one remember Richard Davies a young conditional killed at Southwell.<br>He looked like an angel and had the manours of a saint. how he ever got into horseracing I dont know he seemed to be so soft and shy.
He was educated at Flyford Flavell a little county village between Worcester and Stratford a few miles from Inkberrow.
He was a twin and I had the pleasure of training the school first and second year team soccer..aged 7/8 my two sons were in the squad along with Richard and his twin.brother.
We left the district and I didnt see the boys again for 12 years when I was betting at Newton Abott.
"Helo My Butler" <br>———————<br>You are Richard,,, "yes I am a jockey"…<br>I never lost interest in his carrier and would shout him home when ever he rode a winner.<br>They say that he was well loved by all those who rode with him. <br>Tony Macoy always gave him encouragment.
Richard loved to partisipate in Kharioki sessions where is standing dish was
"American Pie"
You are very much missed Richard. hope I see you again one day and I will tell you that in person.
All Dobations to the Injured Jockeys Fund.
Cubone:(
Fabre prob never saw Gorden Richards very much and certainly never saw Archer.
Cubone:biggrin:
Archer rose his first winner at 14 in a 3 mile cahes at Bangor,
Then Rose 2.748 winners on the flat out of 8004 Mounts.
No planes no Cars No Night Racing or Sundays.
Cubone
There is a debate on who was the best flat Jockey in history.on the other Forum.
Piggott v Falon caused more than a little interest however<br>I fell that Gorden Richards even with his light weight requires recognition,
I then glanced at the history of Fred Archer and I beleave that considering the short time he rode he was Brilliant. and a very sad end to his life.
Perhaps others can give there oppinion of the subject.
Cubone
Purwell firstly the £500 EW was equivilant to 20 times so it was £15,000 now so to get that amount on in a ring like Salisbury it would get back and therefore shorten the price.
If they had tried to get that amount on at the track it would have averaged less than 10/1 so by backing it at Starting Price they could place it in small amounts around the country without anyone sussing it was a plot.
Cubone
I agree with what you say but dont forget WH had been given an instruction £600 EW at SP if William thought that any more placed at SP may have caused a complete collapse he may have been correct in only placing £500 EW but as I do not know the actuall relationship between Bookmaker and Client it is not black and white, you must understand that it was not easy to get a updated contract in those days, it was on trust.
If you trusted William and Every one did at the time, and even now the name still has a massive trust attached to it. even though accounts have taken over,
Cubone
This is a lovely place to rest.
Drink and chat…
The other Forum is a bit like Broadmoore.:biggrin:
Sorry Racing
No the story was about the dispute between
Norman Scobie v William Hill and not the Australian Top Jockey of Scobie Breasley.
All the Best.
Cubone:)
Wit I will send the £xxxx fee at the end of this weeks trading.
Thank you.:biggrin:
Cubone
The more I read about jockeys and trainers over the past 100 years many were tipsters as well as Jockeys and trainers.
It is a know fact tha Jockeys are the worlds worst tipster and know very little more than the average man once a race starts.
So I have come to a conlusion that if anyone,s Legal team require help I will get them off any charges rega:biggrin: rding Proof behond doubt.
Cubone
Wit it is nice to listen to your expert oppinions.it has been some time..
As this topic is very important to the UK better, can I ask a few questions.
For a person to be charged with fraud against a betfair customer. I can assume that there must be a paper trail and telephone conversations. that will be the mainstay of evidence that a jury will consider.
Watching a horserace to see if a breech of rules took place is impossible for a jury, matters not how experienced they are to find without any shadow of doubt.I watch many taces during the year and you could never say with out doubt that a horse was stopped for financial gain just from watching the race.
Telephone conversations and tape recordings of conversations. a little more simple for a jury to understand however history shows that jockeys are renound for spiving. tipping horses that they ride themselves or others. may be against JC rules now but not serious enough to be warned off for life.
Now then a paper trail of money and cheques that is a lot easier to understand by 12 just men and true.
So those who say impossible to convict anyone of a very serious crime will have to wait for the full evidence to be uncovered.
Cubone
Drown Mick Fleycher and Leslie Steel were and I assume still are buddies. <br>Leslie used to spend every winter in the Canaries. and arrive back for Cleltenham with a lovely tan.
The one Bookie I was very sad to see die young was Pat Whelan.I thought he was a great Bookie.
Cubone:( :(
Wallace you named 2 greats from the past and a very good grafting team. Bob was a loverly person and his biy seems a lovely lad also Ive had many a night out with Bob and coulnt he drink. an international boozer wasnt he a Taxie Driver before his Bookmaking .
John Joyce a great northern Bookie, must have passed away by now.
As for Ted Binns (Ted Sturman)he was a geniuse and the only Bookmaker I have ever seen bet in running from the ring.<br>I think his mother and father died early and he was shipped to a Birmingham Bookmaker who took him under there wing, an uncle I think. a real figeurs man. was Ted.<br>I once worked for him in the late 50s and he was the first and only Bookmaker who gave you the power to hold hedging money at your discression.
Example 99% of hedging Bookmakers tick tack instruction through to there workman on the rails and told to take the 5/2 but Ted used to show a sighn unique to him
£500 at 5/2 HOLD.
That ment only put it on if the price starts to go. that must have given him a tremendious hedge over the other Bookmakers.
He also loved a BIRD and he and Nevill Berrie were out on there own staying overnight and playing it up.
Great times and many stories to tell.
Cubone
Drone
The Great Leslie Steel would be in his late 70s early 89s.now and sold all his pitches about 2 years ago.
<br>Leslie was a Bevan Boy. aged 18 he was placed down the Coal; mines instead of into the war zone he then decided to become a racecourse Bookmaker and arrived during the latter Gang Warfares not only was he very brave he was also very shrewed.
Did not worry about finding private layers to help him trade to affect.
He also was a very good "Arm around you" this skill was the art of being the bigest Bookmaker in a ring and controlling the large punters by placing his arm arround the punter and saying right now how much do you want on…
As soon as the punter declared his hand Leslies staff the best in the game had already started to put on.
Leslie would then say right you want £30,000 on now I can lay you £20.000 at 5/2 and the other £10k at 2/1
"Having already taken all the 3/1 available.
Very Shrewed,indead had a very bad car accident and was thought to be dead in the 70s.
Cubone<br>
