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I think this enquiry is different to the enquiry where Winston was questioned by the police. The police enquiry relates to races with irregular betting patterns on BF layed by Miles and his mates. The latest enquiry where he is charged by the HRA relates to a Midlands Bookmaker.<br>If seems if BF and HRA blow the whistle the police are involved and if it is HRA alone no police
Lydia has it in the Times today
But Maurice, Cauthen was an Alcoholic surely that disqualifies him on your strict moral criteria.
Well spotted Wit, too much of a coincidence for it to be anyone else, seems he wanted to deceive the RP by using his home address. Normally these guys have such inflated egos they cannot write to a paper without using QC and their chambers address.
I hear Willams initial Solicitor who represented him at the police station is p**s
ed off at losing him to a rival EC4 firmI watched the morning line yesterday, first time in a while, McCririck was shouting down anyone who disagreed with his view, he was on about the whip, they discussed the headbutting incident for much longer than the Stoute fine though in fairness Mac and Cattermole said it was blatant, Hayley Turner kicked to touch when asked any questions that involved the industry. Tommo leered at her and made sexist remarks throughout.
Then why is there all that business about the security services not wanting them to be admissable as they would have to disclose their sources.<br>I believe there are taped conversations of the Omagh bombers but they cannot be used in court.
(Edited by bluechariot at 11:54 am on Aug. 3, 2006)
Wit<br>Thanks for your detailed reply
<br>This is the man!
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s … 70,00.html
(Edited by bluechariot at 2:14 pm on Aug. 2, 2006)
Wit you say "I do know that if the JC saw evidence of a corrupt betting operation, they had a duty to report it to the police, rather than carry out their own procedures first as you suggest. "
Where do you draw the line between speculating about a corrupt operation and hard evidence. <br>Say Betfair tell the HRA about suspicious betting patterns surely they have to do some investigations before informing the police as a lot of the evidence will be circumstantial. Also do Betfair and the other exchanges have the same obligation to inform?<br>Where do Bookmakers fit in with all of this as they will not disclose anything unless the courts order?<br>Thanks<br>
Galejade I do not think it was the HRA that employed Ray Murrihy to review the races, it was City London Police.
http://www.racingpost.co.uk/news/cuttings_library.sd
Do a search on Murrihy. the article is 22/10/04
(Edited by bluechariot at 9:30 pm on Aug. 1, 2006)
Sean to talk of "Victims" is a bit dramatic.
I have no idea but I may have been a victim in some of the races under investigation but I am sure I have been a victim in some races over the years but I also probably was a winner when some other sod was a victim. We are all grown ups and if we are stupid enough to gamble then Caveat Emptor.
I have gambled on horses for about 40 years and I still enjoy trying to read the markets and the plots and If I back a dead one I try and analyse how I got it wrong<br>
(Edited by bluechariot at 9:02 am on Aug. 2, 2006)
Grasshopper it was in Irealnd where Kinane and Roche got an injunction in the High Court against a riding ban to allow them to ride in a big race. I cannot recall anyone in the UK getting a ban reversed by the courts.
To add to some of what Wit says, the case has been divided into three trials, trial one the jockeys,Rodgers and two others, trial two are the unknowns to most and trial 3 Berry and Co. My guess is if trial one does not get a conviction then two and three will be dropped.<br>The case is in Southwark at present and will almost certainly go to the Bailey. They have 3 courts that are suitable, eg plasma screens, cat 5 cabling (live note for Judge and Counsel).<br>In the recent Jubilee Line fraud trial it took about 3 years between charge and start of trial and as these guys are on unconditional bail custody time limits will not apply so 2008 is a realistic trial time.<br>The defence solicitors will have to get their clients instructions on all the evidence served which is time consuming, the initial reports are 40000 pages and normally the CPS keep serving additional evidence up until trial and even in some cases during the trial. The defence solicitors will also have to trawl through the unused material which could run to thousands of pages.<br>
