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On the subject of England players going abroad:
"Technically, it would improve them," Waddle told BBC Radio 5 live. "It’s an eye-opener. You think it’s a game of football, like it is back home, but it’s not.
"When Marseille got the ball, we played patient football, it was about possession, it was like a waltz. English football is based on the Charleston. The Premier League has always been a basketball league – you attack then they attack – but other leagues don’t play like that.
"International football is about keeping the ball. My three years in Marseille taught me so much about football, which I would never have learnt in England."
Not one member of England manager Fabio Capello’s World Cup squad in South Africa this summer had experience of playing club football anywhere other than in their own country.
It would be preferable to change the way we play our football, but if that can’t done, a spell abroad for some of these players might help them.
Interesting piece, Maxillon, though I do disagree with the last sentence. I think the comparative lack of young English players in the Premier League is a red herring. The problem appears to begin much earlier, with the way youngsters are coached even before their teens and certainly from the ages of 10-16.
They are coached to play in the Premier League way, that is, a high tempo, physical (though not long ball anymore) kind of game that is thoroughly entertaining but not the way that international football is played and in which they are actively discouraged from trying new skills.
To be honest, I would go the other way. Ensure that kids are allowed the freedom to develop their skills, not pigeonholed into positions from an early age, allowed to express themselves and enjoy their football, prevented from playing on full size pitches until the age of 15 or so. And then make it obligatory for them all to serve a 2-3 year apprenticeship abroad before they are allowed anywhere near the Premier League or the Championship.
But that would only happen if the FA took the game by the scruff of the neck and made producing a good England team the priority. At the moment, the big clubs run the game and the FA, packed full of corporate types, are happy just to have a place at the SKY trough.
He’s just having a bit of fun and enjoying Germany’s moment, and why not. He was right after all, about the kick and rush. In fact, it wasn’t even that good.
Well there may be a case for video replays, technology and so on, but that’s for another day. If anyone watching that game seriously thinks we would have won it if Lampard’s goal was given, then I take my hat off to you for your optimism and your patriotism.
From where I was sitting Germany were the better team. They deserved to win. It could have been 7-1.
It would be better for English football if those in positions of influence spent the next few weeks and months taking a good long look at the way our game is run, from top to bottom, rather than distracting attention from inconvenient truths by going on about disallowed goals and foreign managers.
We lost, accept it with good grace and move on.
I have some sympathy with what you say, and there is certainly a lack of sportsmanship in football, particularly around diving and trying to get others sent off. But if players are going to keep trying to balance out bad decisions by penalising themselves then things could get a bit silly, albeit it would be a gentlemanly kind of anarchy.
At the moment, the officials have the last word and as they are human, they will make errors. That’s how it is and players, supporters and managers have to take it on the chin until such time as technology is used.
And on the whole, I’m enjoying the world cup so far, don’t think it’s being ruined at all.
Absolute gold on Radio Five right now. Taylor and Waddle, talking a lot of sense. It needs to be recorded and sent to the FA.
The way we coach our youngsters is completely wrong. We favour the big, the strong and the quick and those who can hit a ball 80 yards. We move them to full size pitches playing 11-a-side at the age of 10, discourage them from trying anything different and we start stereotyping them in certain positions from an early age.
We need to have the humility to swallow our pride and go and see how they do things in other countries, such as Spain, Holland, Germany even. Keep our youngsters playing on small pitches, 5 or 7 a-side and let them try things, develop their skills.
More good points by Graham Taylor. The Premier League is end to end attacking, high tempo. Put our players in international football and they appear to struggle when having to play a more patient game.
Also, as David Pleat has just said, there are virtually no football people at the FA. They are all business people or blazer-wearing types.
Think you’re a bit harsh on Gerard, Bosranic, but I think pretty much everything else you said was spot on and echoes what Chris Waddle has just been saying on Radio Five.
Oh I agree entirely, this is a media thing, they are hyped too much and when they fail to win every competition they play, the witchhunt begins.
Listening to Chris Waddle again at the moment, the only pundit who tries to take a long view. He is spot on. The Germans were better than us in every department. They are four years younger on average than our superstars, they are barely known, yet they played with more nous, more intelligence and more awareness.
After Germany flopped in 2000, apparently they overhauled their coaching system and they are reaping the rewards now. Meanwhile, we cancel the Burton facility, spend all our cash on an enormous stadium and bang on about the Premier League and a golden generation.
We need to produce better players and more of them. It’s as simple as that.
When I said no-one, OneEye, I was referring to the BBC pundits and the press and specifically after Wednesday, when apparently everything was wonderful again. I agree with you, Gerard is better behind Rooney. But aside from that and possibly Crouch rather than Heskey, I don’t see what else he could have done.
The players get off far too lightly every time. How do you explain the woeful defending, the complete lack of invention, the inability to create anything? We are told these are superstars, they played like muppets. How many of the Germans would get in the England team, we were asked by Andy Townsend last night? Well on that performance, I would say about 10, with the goalkeeper the only exception.
They aren’t as good as they and so many other people think they are and it doesn’t matter who the manager is.
And as for the nationality of the manager, I think that’s irrelevant. Keegan, Hoddle and McClaren all failed as well.
Probably stay. Aside from the issue of Gerard on the left, everyone was saying pre tournament that he was the man for the job and on Wednesday night no-one was criticising his tactics.
Doubt if anyone else could do better with this bunch.
Would this be the same Redknapp who after Wednesday’s game thought the tactics were spot on, there were no other teams to be worried about in the tournament and that we had a great chance to win it.
After the game today, ‘Arry was happily pointing out all of Capello’s tactical failings. The man’s a joke. If anyone seriously thinks that Redknapp will succeed where Eriksson, Keegan, Capello, McClaren and Hoddle failed, they are kidding themselves.
I thought he had a point with his first comments about kick and rush, certainly based on the first two games. Think it unlikely that he would be bitter over 66, given his subsequent successful career.
The second set of comments he made about England being ‘stupid’ not to win the group were a bit silly and unneccessary. After all, if you start criticising footballers for being stupid, you’d never stop
And please, stop finally your idiotic, primitive British press
Any suggestions about how this might be achieved will be gratefully received. A brief glance across the newsagents shelves most mornings is enough to make you despair about the condition of humankind. During a World Cup it’s worse.
I voted no, but could have gone either way, to be honest. Purely based on what I’ve seen in these three games, I would give Germany a very slight edge (they were very impressive against Australia and good against Ghana) but I think England can play better, whereas I’m not sure Germany can.
I don’t buy the idea that the Germans will be intimidated by the sight of Rooney, Gerard and Lampard in the tunnel. That’s more of the ‘golden generation, Premier League’ talk that sounds increasingly hollow as time goes by and that tbh spoiled the last world cup for me. I have avoided being irritated this time round by ignoring the papers completely and filtering out the ramblings of biased pundits, because I want to enjoy this game and support England.
Where we might have an edge is if we play the same high tempo game and try to dominate physically, ugly though it may be to watch, it might work.
Should be a fascinating game to watch and as Oneye says, a tense one.
Hi Nathan
I’m not surprised about Flower’s punishment. Nothing yet from either Sky or Essex, though Essex did acknowledge the complaint. Will probably chase it up next week
