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Didn’t deserve anything against Germany. Sure, we can moan about Lampard’s "goal" being disallowed at 1-2, but, even so, England can have no complaints.
So, what went wrong?
1) Heskey. How many other realistic contenders would have had him in the squad? Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Spain, Andorra, Scotland ?
2) 4-4-2 with Gerard on the left midfield. Okay, with hindsight, it’s easy to come up with this old chestnut again. But we were modest at best in the three qualifying games. 1 – 0 against Slovenia doesn’t count as a top-notch performance. Tough call for manager whether to change formation half-way through a World Cup, but hey, he’s paid 6 million; he’s surely capable of making a big decision (a la Ramsey dropping Jimmy Greaves).
3) Wayne Rooney. Conspiracy theory here. "Himself" has contacted fellow jock Alex Ferguson and told him to burn him out when not totally fit to scupper his England games. It worked. Congrats Himself and the Scottish mafia.
Rooney was a waste of time, but hey, Capello’s paid 6 million; he’s surely capable of making a big decision (a la Ramsey dropping Jimmy Greaves).No complaints then from me at England’s dismissal. For a bunch of players who regularly perform at a higher grade in the League, they were a shambles.
Finally, if anything good comes out of this debacle, it may be that Fifa (and the dinosaur Blatter) may just review the introduction of goal-line technology. (With France’s "winner" against Ireland another glaring reason for Blatterosaurus and Platini-odon to wake up).If only we had that much power insomniac.
Wayne Rooney IS a class footballer – but he cannot do the business without the support of others. I think England’s biggest problem was their lack of movement and imagination; two important traits that all good teams need. I would never pair Gerard alongside Lampard. Both are two similar in their outlook. Joe Cole is the one player have with a bit flair and imagination, yet he was overlooked. I find that astonishing. Defensively, England were at sixes and sevens and too be honest, any of the top sides would punish that central pairing. Goals do change matches and had the goal been awarded things might have turned differently. That said, England looked jaded and lacked belief. Without even so much as belief in yourselves – as a team, then there is nothing. Capello will now head back to Italy.
Might I suggest Harry Redknapp as a suitable replacement. He couldn’t do any worse than his predecessors.
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Would this be the same Redknapp who after Wednesday’s game thought the tactics were spot on, there were no other teams to be worried about in the tournament and that we had a great chance to win it.
After the game today, ‘Arry was happily pointing out all of Capello’s tactical failings. The man’s a joke. If anyone seriously thinks that Redknapp will succeed where Eriksson, Keegan, Capello, McClaren and Hoddle failed, they are kidding themselves.
Good summary Himself…
Still think we shouldn’t have been committing that many men forward trailing 2-1 with over 25 mins left! There were 7/8 England players in the box…what the hell were we doing?
The match stats certainly make for interesting reading for a game that ended 4-1…
As much as I like Harry Redknapp, I can’t see any way on Earth how the FA would appoint him as England manager…Far too much baggage.
Does not matter which manager had been in charge of the current squad of players. The defenders and midfield seemed to lack pace. They were beaten by the oppositions attack and their midfield. They were beaten to the ball in all bar one of the competitions games.
They looked to be a bunch of sulkers to me. Everytime something seemed to go against them or a pass went awry the opposition seemed top get in while we bemoaned our misfortune.
I’m not suggesting Redknapp would be a succcess. I just think he couldn’t do much worse. He would at least have the respect of all the players for a start, and he would engender a better spirit among the squad. He has done not too bad at Spurs. I think you underestimate the man.
Alex Ferguson does not want the job. How many times must you be told ?
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Peter Crouch has an incredible goal-to-start ratio for England and has scored thirteen goals in the last thirteen games that he has started.
First of all Capello will go. The players will go back to their luxury lifestyles and in a few weeks all will be forgotten – the same people bemoaning them will be idolising them again. That doesn’t sound right to me.
The performance by the players at this World Cup has been little short of a disgrace. If you could call it a campaign I can’t remember anything as bad. It wouldn’t have mattered what position Rooney was in, carrying an injury or not he was pathetic. His attitude never looked right from the start. None of them should be guaranteed a place in an England shirt again.
Personally, I would like to see a four year plan that didn’t include the likes of Rooney, Gerrard, Terry & co. They have had their shot at glory and failed abismally – I don’t think they deserve another one.
Regular contributors during the World Cup will have heard this from me before, but two words:
TECHNICAL ABILITY. We don’t have it.
The fundamentals of this game are alien to us:
PASS THE BALL. KEEP POSSESSION. We can’t do it.
What did I say about Steven Gerrard? He is guilty, more than any other player in the squad, of giving the ball away cheaply. He, like many others, has been given chance after chance after chance in an England shirt and failed more times than not.
He is a liability at International level.
A change of manager will not change our fate. Been done before – same old story.
We need to change our approach to the game, but it’s hard when we boast the most exciting league in the world.
What makes our domestic league so popular is killing our chances of Internationl success
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Until our youngsters are coached the fundamentals of the game from a young age, we will continue to struggle. Even if we started this now, it will take a couple of generations before we notice the difference.
I have been saying it for quite some time now, but an African nation will win the World Cup before we do so again.
Knocked out at a similar stage of a major tournament again. Different managers, different players, but the same glaring problems are obvious and nothing is being done about it.
The proof is in the pudding.
Think you’re a bit harsh on Gerard, Bosranic, but I think pretty much everything else you said was spot on and echoes what Chris Waddle has just been saying on Radio Five.
More good points by Graham Taylor. The Premier League is end to end attacking, high tempo. Put our players in international football and they appear to struggle when having to play a more patient game.
Also, as David Pleat has just said, there are virtually no football people at the FA. They are all business people or blazer-wearing types.
Think you’re a bit harsh on Gerard
, Bosranic, but I think pretty much everything else you said was spot on and echoes what Chris Waddle has just been saying on Radio Five.
Maybe that’s the heart and not the head talking after a such a terrible performance.
I would choose the guy over Lampard as a domestic player, but the Chelsea man would get the nod everytime in an England shirt.
More guile. More variety. Felt sorry for him today. Did everything but score…well, you know what I mean.
Absolute gold on Radio Five right now. Taylor and Waddle, talking a lot of sense. It needs to be recorded and sent to the FA.
The way we coach our youngsters is completely wrong. We favour the big, the strong and the quick and those who can hit a ball 80 yards. We move them to full size pitches playing 11-a-side at the age of 10, discourage them from trying anything different and we start stereotyping them in certain positions from an early age.
We need to have the humility to swallow our pride and go and see how they do things in other countries, such as Spain, Holland, Germany even. Keep our youngsters playing on small pitches, 5 or 7 a-side and let them try things, develop their skills.
it got said pre 96, and the same still rings true,
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"Absolute gold on Radio Five right now. Taylor and Waddle, talking a lot of sense. It needs to be recorded and sent to the FA."
I listened to that too and those guys really knew what they were talking about.
I think we, as fans, have to be really honest here and say the players were very exposed today. Thoroughly outclassed is the best phrase to describe it.
Many fans and TRF peeps seem to agree on this.
Technically we are very poor and cannot pass or move (with or without the ball) with the effectiveness of the better teams.
We need to restructure our football leagues and the way youngsters are brought through the ranks. Being comfortable on the ball should surely be a priority.
The problem with the Premiership is that it is too dominant and too long. It seems to dictate to the FA rather than the other way around.
We need to make international football our main aim if we want to succeed at National level.
How many footy fans on here would prefer to see England do well instead of their favourite league side?
I’d prefer to see England do well at the sacrifice of the money and size/no of games of the premiership, but then I have no allegiance to a league team.
I did think England looked tired and sluggish compared to the class sides…but then watching Messi, Tevez, Podolski, Donovan, Cahill et al – it struck me that they seem OK
I guess we look so knackered because we can’t handle the pace of the matches.I do think Rooney is actually physically not 100 percent, whether it’s his ankle injury or whatever else. Should he have been picked for the squad or allowed to playe 90 mins is questionable IMHO. Hindsight is a great quality, though.
The current England side needs overhauling – we need to encourage young players who can create and hold the ball. If that means no success for a few tournaments, so be it.
Germany really embarrassed us. Sure, we had a legal goal disallowed, and the technology debate is for another thread, but Germany were so superior in all departments. Could England have counter-attacked as effectively as them? I think not!
Things can only get better, but fans need to be frank and call for change and the FA needs to listen rather than feathering it’s Premier League obsessed nest.
I have no problem with Capello apart from the bewildering Heskey substitution and arguably picking Upson again (was King unfit?).
I think Capello will learn much from his initial foray into international football and I sense he feels the English team is still unfinished business for him.
I agree that an British-born manager would not have done any better.
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Some good points there Zip…
Me being the eternal optimist would like to think the gap isn’t as huge as we all may think.
One thing you can say for sure is there is such a fine line between success and failure.
The legitimate goal Lampard scored stands and we go in at 2-2 and the 2nd half is a totally different ball game. Likewise, at 2-1 down and after starting the second half very well if Lampard’s thunderbolt free kick drops a couple of inches and goes under the bar it’s a different story.
To break the game down I thought it was pretty even for the first 15 mins or so and pretty edgy stuff from both sides. Germany then settled the better and took us apart for a good 15 minutes or so and were 2-0 up and could have been out of sight to be honest. We responded superbly though getting the goal back and then being unlucky with the poor decision going against us.
We then came out for the 2nd half and dominated for a good 20 minutes playing by far the better football and created 2 or 3 good chances. Germany did still look a threat but I thought we were well on top and looking pretty good to get an equaliser.
I honestly thought the first substitution came too early and maybe put the players into a false sense of security? To my mind we were playing pretty well, on top and creating chances. Maybe with that change the message was to try and go for it a bit more? It’s the only explanation I can think of to get caught on the break like that with fully 25 minutes left to play. They touched on it in the studio after that you could understand being in that situation if you were throwing the kitchen sink at them with 2 minutes to go, but with that amount of time left on the clock it was totally bizarre?
Germany then showed their class and at that point did what any good team would do and finished us off superbly when we were so vulnerable.
The thing that I think stood out more than anything for us was the lack of a proper engine in midfield. I like both Barry and Lampard but neither are the most mobile of players and as was blatantly exposed they both lack pace and real workrate. Schweinsteiger was immense for Germany and I think we miss that type of player to protect what looked a very fragile back four.
I think a Michael Essien type player sat in front of the back four allowing Lampard and Gerrard a bit more freedom would be key to improving us a lot. The nearest I can think to that for us is Owen Hargreaves…
As I say I’m ever the optimist and try to stay positive, but am very disappointed tonight and will be for a while.
Rooney was a waste of time, but hey, Capello’s paid 6 million; he’s surely capable of making a big decision (a la Ramsey dropping Jimmy Greaves).
I guess we look so knackered because we can’t handle the pace of the matches.
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