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On 6 million a year I’m afraid Capello should do the honourable thing and go as he has failed to even nearly do the job he was handsomely rewarded for……..6 million quid for what amounts to a part time job is clearly ridiculous and failure can’t be tolerated.
Add to that the apparent stuborness re Heskey and Cole and the lack of courage required to maybe do something radical and replace a clearly non functioning Rooney…..we did it his way and failed so clearly he should pay the ultimate price.
As for the introduction of technology to decide goals……it is a disgrace in this day and age that we even have to discuss it and England would be making their best ever contribution to the game ( since inventing it) if we refused to be involved unless the introduction of crucial instant replays is introduced without delay………………….shortcomings aside the whole game would have been different at 2-2 at half time rather than a frustrating and distracting 2-1
Well there may be a case for video replays, technology and so on, but that’s for another day. If anyone watching that game seriously thinks we would have won it if Lampard’s goal was given, then I take my hat off to you for your optimism and your patriotism.
From where I was sitting Germany were the better team. They deserved to win. It could have been 7-1.
It would be better for English football if those in positions of influence spent the next few weeks and months taking a good long look at the way our game is run, from top to bottom, rather than distracting attention from inconvenient truths by going on about disallowed goals and foreign managers.
We lost, accept it with good grace and move on.
I can’t stop laughing, it was everything so many people predicted, and more. That so many people could not see it only compounds the humour.
When will people learn.
Never, it seems
I see what you’re saying Andrew and to an extent I agree with you.. Germany were the better team and yes it could have been 7-1. By the same token though it could have been 5-4.
The match stats says it was a lot closer than a 4-1 scoreline. Germany had two excellent 10 minute purple patches in both halves. The one in the first half we responded to and got back in the game, the 2nd one we couldn’t and they finished us in clinical fashion.
For all that it could have been 7-1 and we ended up losing 4-1…we hit the bar 3 times (albeit one offside) and made the keeper make 3 or 4 good saves, one an absolute Worldie getting fingertips to tip it round the post, so as I say it could just have easily been 5-4 IMO.
Oh my GOD!!
Can you not see how emphatically superior, man-for-man and as a team, Germany were?
England will never get better.
We’re always thought to be 3 stone better than we really are
I saw a 4-1 final scoreline BB and I’m utterly devastated at that.
As I say though having watched the game again when my emotions weren’t running as high the difference was two 10 minutes spells in either half. We responded to the first one and got a goal back and were desperately unlucky to be denied an equaliser… Germany were’nt so fantastic in that 10 minute period were they?
We then totally outplayed them for a good 15/20 minutes in the second half before being caught on the break committing a ridiculous amount of men forward in search of an equaliser (that in all honesty we shouldn’t have been chasing) The Germans finished that in clinical fashion and then put us to bed in great style while we were rocking on the ropes…
I’m not disputing that they were the better team, or indeed that they deserved to knock us out….just that I don’t think it was as much a hammering as it looked at first.
On looking back at our campaign, the two things I think we are missing are ‘legs’ in the midfield engine room and a clinical finisher… a Gary Lineker/Michael Owen type. Also looking back we were desperately unlucky to lose Rio Ferdinand to injury and then his replacement Ledley King. It’s understandable to me as a defender how things could have gone wrong at the back with 3 different centre-half pairings in 4 games. Ideally we would have gone in with Terry and Ferdinand who would have played all four games in normal circumstances, that wasn’t to be though and obviously played a part in the uncertainty in our back four.
We then totally outplayed them for a good 15/20 minutes in the second half
Which game was that in?
England were dreadful from start to finish. It was inevitable that, even allowing for that, they would "put a bit of pressure on" at some stage.
Germany ain’t a great side.
They could have scored 8.How is fantasyland possible after that humiliation?
baffling
A truly abysmal performance. Yes the disallowed goal had significance on that period of the game, but the shocking defending that led to the first two goals had already put their backs to the wall, and the final two german goals also came from crass decisions.
Barry was woeful and at fault for the 3rd and 4th goals and has to be dropped. Terry was to blame for the first two goals and given his antics at recent press conferences, now has to also go.
I know people will argue who do we replace them with. But look at the Germans. 4 of their side today came from last year’s victorious Euro U-21 side. Only one of the English team that was defeated figured – James Milner.
It is clear that the "old guard" from the preposterously entitled "golden generaton" were not good enough. Lampard scored 22 goals in the Premiership last season but has failed to score 1 World Cup Finals goal.
Terry ran round like a headless chicken and seemed to completely lose the plot which at this level is quite unforgiveable.
There are literally no positives to take away from a terrible World Cup campaign. Like many I tried to take positives from the Slovenia game and hope from the German capitulation at the hands of an average looking Serbian outfit. But we were all, as a nation clutching at straws.
the game in this country is rotten down to its grass roots. And there seems little sign of that changing. The Lampards, Gerrards, Terrys and Coles etc may all be described as world class at club level, but there they are themselves surrounded by genuinely world class foreigners who possess technique, and tactical awareness, allowing the English "boys" to get stuck in and run around with good old fashioned grit. Problem is, you cannot assemble a team of 10 such outfield individuals and expect to win anything.
Quite simply, England haven’t one single player capable of put a foot on the ball, slowing the game to his tempo, and playing the killer pass. To think some people though Gareth Barry was that man before the tournament – Barry is the darling of the press, but has never delivered as he simply hasn’t the level of skill and technique to be a libero.
I am talking not necessarily Maradona or Messi, but Hagi and Stoitchkov – players who allowed very underrated and unthought of sides to succedd to a level beyond their wildest dreams.
The closest England have had in my lifetime was Gascoigne but he was quite simply off his rocker and was not a team player.
It always seems that England have a ready made excuse – 2010 the Lampard goal that never was; Euro 96 and 1990, those lucky Germans beating us on penalties; 1986 The Hand of God. Where will it end? Maybe with a complete overhaul of the way this country approaches the training of kids so that the basics are mastered first (ball control, skill, technique) before they are even allowed to play competitively.
Here’s the best post mortem for English football – don’t bother having one again. It’s boring. Nothing ever changes, nothing ever can.
Great to see the England players in fits of hysteria as they got off the plane earlier
Ok, someone might have told a brilliant joke (perhaps someone said England were a good team) or someone might have let rip (men laugh at these things) but surely they would have known the eyes of the world would be watching them as the plane landed.
To exit the plane in fits of laughter after this miserable campaign is an insult to every paying England fan in South Africa.
As someone old enough to have attended three games at Wembley during the 1966 World Cup, can I just clarify what was said in the opening post. Greaves wasn’t dropped by Ramsey, he was injured and replaced by Hurst. Greaves would have been available for the final, but Ramsey opted to stick with the team that had beaten Argentina and Portugal, rather than risk Greaves breaking down during the match. He didn’t have three substitutes to play with back then.
As to the 2010 shambles, to what extent are our players made to look good in the Premier League by the foreign stars around them. Does Terry look world class because he has Carvalho beside him, Ferdinand has Vidic, Lampard is supported by Ballack and Mikel, Gerrard looked lost this season deprived of Xabi Alonso, etc.
Of the 32 squads in S. Africa, ours was the only one that consisted entirely of home based players. So no breadth of experience, no exposure to different systems of play. Does the lack of tactical awareness amongst the players stem from the rigidity of the sytems they play under in the Premier League? I can’t have the argument that the toughness of the season in England is a factor, as every other top side has players performing in the Premier League and in fact, none of the England squad, bar Rooney, played a full season anyway. For the USA, Dempsey had played more games with Fulham than any English player for example.
Agree entirely about the lack of technical skills, which is partially hidden by the foreign players around them in league football.
As a lifelog Spurs fan, Redknapp as England manager would be a disaster. His method is entirely based on building confidence in players over a period of time, and leaving the coaching to others. It works in a club environment, but it wouldn’t work when he’d only see the players for a few days each year. If Capello goes, then surely the entire point of having Stuart Pearce alongside him for the last few years was for him to take over – why would anybody else want the job anyway!
Pearce has managed the U21 side, so should know better than anyone else what young talent we have, if any. Put him in charge and chuck out any player currently 28 or older, which is most of the current squad. And try not to burden the replacements with a level of expectation that exceeds reality.
AP
Some fair points AP and thanks for correcting the Ramsey / Greaves situation. (Obviously you’re a little older than me and thus remember the real circumstances.)
The point being though that Rooney or Greaves, no matter how talented they are or big their reputation, should be considered indispensible.I don’t buy the "tired" angle either and am minded to agree with others on here that our "top class" players may only look that good because they play alongside high-class foreigners.
Maybe the FA should sponsor scholarships for all up-and-coming English lads to spend a season or three in Spain or Germany or Italy.
I may be totally wrong here, but I’ll say it anyway. Could it be that nearly all English professional footballers are just plain THICK and that doesn’t help when they might just have to apply a little bit of thought as to how to adapt to the changing patterns of a game.
2 – 1 down with over 20 mins still to paly against a team that breaks well and passes well? Have a free kick that you know darn well is going to be a shot at goal and not a cross? So, what should you do? Well, how about not all rushing up to the penalty area for a cross you know isn’t coming? Der….
Maybe they spent too much time playing football as kids and not enough time developing a bit of common-sense. Can’t blame Capello for that.The point about our better players trying their luck in other league’s around the World is a very good one.
Going back a decade or two when we had arguably our two best tournaments in 90 and Euro 96 (in my lifetime anyway) there was a decent number of our better players who had tried their luck abroad.
From those two campaigns I can think of Gascoigne, Lineker, Platt, Waddle, Mcmanaman and Ince who were all vital players and I thought all benefitted from playing in different league’s.
In recent times I can only think of Owen Hargreaves, who was by far one of our better players last time and unfortunate to have been plagued by so many injuries….and then arguably the best two England players in the last decade or so in Owen and Beckham.
You’d have thought that after the success of that handful of players from the early 90’s that many more would have given it a go..
The prospect of a South American head-to-head knockout was enough to persuade even this longtime-lapsed footie fan to waste 90 minutes in front of the goggler
I wasn’t disappointed; theirs is the beautiful game, and may I suggest those pretenders to the ‘English defence’ spend more than a little time out this lazy, hazy summer from languishing pool-side on their grotesque summer retainers by watching, learning and reflecting on the performance not of Brazil – who England haven’t a hope in hell of ever emulating – but on that of the splendid Chilean defenders in particular and the spirit in adversity of the whole team in general
Drilled, professional, keen and proud – everything England aren’t
gordon banks!
The mention of McMananaman got me remembering a conversation I had years ago about him not playing for England, so I just Wikipediad him. He either didn’t achieve much at international level or a succession of England managers just didn’t like him. It always puzzled me.
i think there main problem was missing rio ferdinand. and as for team play, i just cannot get over them playing heskey, comparing his goal record to darren bents. i would permanently have carragher on instead of glen johnson aswell. i think miller was a key performer, and also couldn’t see the point in joe cole coming on and him off. messing around with the squad too much in my opinion!
I think the suggestion some of our players should try their hand abroad is an interesting one. Is there actually a manager of a top class overseas team who would have them?
There is a lot of talk of Mourinho bringing Terry or Cole or Lampard to Madrid, but why didn’t he bring them to Inter?
Is it not simply the case that when English players are linked to top European clubs it is the result of their agents talking them up to try and get a big money transfer and contract?
Is there not an argument to say that some of the Premiership teams operate an unofficial quota of homegrown "talent" (in the loosest sense of the word btw) to keep fans, boardrooms, FA and press happy? And if the foreign managers had their way they would field (a la Wenger) exclusively foreign teams?
I think the lack of English teams playing abroad is further proof that the level of talent here has hit an all time low, and all of our national squad play here not by design but because there is no other option.
Beckham at AC Milan is one exception but lets face it he was there as a stop gap mutually agreed by both parties.
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