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They did retire Doran’s Pride once but he hated it. He just stood at the gate wanting to come in. Its a huge disappointment to all of his connections and his many fans but he was a lovely game horse who just wanted to race.
Sacha, I’ve got the full set of M&S, Geoffrey Sales’ going back to 1961 (1960 season) so would be happy to let you know any facts from them.
If you give Terry Selby a call (his number is in this year’s issue that came out in November) he can supply you with most back issues at a reduced price.
Tony,
I’ve had a few ‘legs’ in pointers trained near where I live – Newmarket.
I know local farmers who can do it for 70 pounds a week but then on top of that you’ve got schooling fees of about 20 pounds a session when they use the Links gallops.
Other more professional yards nearby charge about 125 pounds and you probably get what you pay for.
I’m thinking of reinvesting for this season and would like to be involved in riding out etc as I have done in the past.
We keep horses at home but I don’t think we would be able to train a pointer as we don’t have the facilities. You need somewhere local where they can gallop and schooling facilities in close proximity as well. Check with the licensing dept at the Jockey Club for more details if you are thinking of going down that route.
Don’t forget that pointers need to go out 7 times (I think this is the current number but you may need to check this out) with your local hunt to qualify it.
Most pointers round by us are nearly qualified by now so that they can get round to the serious business of getting them fit for a season which starts on January 5th at Cottenham locally.
Hunts will do special deals for pointers and the local secretary will be able to give you a price. This will also qualify the horse to run in that hunt’s Members race if they have one.
Most important of all is to check the eligibility of the horse you are thinking of sending pointing. There are strict rules about when it can have run under NH rules and coming out of professional yards – check on this before purchasing an animal.
Feel free to ask anyother questions as I’m sure that there are plenty of people on here with more experiance than me on this subject.
Just a couple of notes:
The horses should not hear the bell as it sounds after the gates open to encourage ones that are late out.
The European trainers requested no stall handlers in the gates along side their horses. This was as true for, say, Domedriver, as the O’Brien horses etc.
Apparently it is a rule that it is 30 days if they are bleeding for a 2nd time. This was the case with<br>Pleasantly Perfect.
PR,
Found it – it is to do with Pleasantly Perfect who bled at Santa Anita on October 6th – William Hill are refunding betting on it as he was supposedly not able to run from that day.
I’m surprised and will check this out with Arlington
Prince Regent,
The Illinois Racing Board state that "when a horse is added to the furosemide (ie Lasix) list, it shall be placed on the veterinarian’s list and shall be ineligble to race for 14 days"
Which article in the Racing Post did you read about 30 days as I’d like to follow up on this.
Factors such as ground and humidity – and time of year of course – all have an effect on shipping.
However I don’t follow the West-East theory. After all Frankel does really well in New York and on a world scale the British seem to be able to ship well to Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan etc, going East.
The ground is still riding on the firm side at Arlington but some rain is forecast for later in the week. It is also very cold (40’s). I’ll have more updates when I get there on Friday.
Trainers will have to declare their use of Lasix on 23rd October and this will be administered by a vet on the morning of the race.  You will see which ones are on it in the Racing Post. ÂÂÂ
To be allowed to run on Lasix the horse has to have previously bled in a race – in the case of Americans – or to have a veterinary certificate stating this in the case of Europeans.
You cannot run for 14 days after bleeding.
Last year in New York every European ran on it with the exceptions of Banks Hill, Spring Oak and Slew The Red<br>- the Fabre runners.
Trainers do not have to declare Bute – all though many will be trained on it.  You cannot administer it after 11.05 on Friday October 25th – 24 hours before post time for the Breeders’ Cup day.
As regards dehydration most trainers will give an electrolyte "jug" on arrival.  Dehydration will be monitored by the trainers and electrolytes will be given as appropriate.
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(Edited by Adrian at 9:42 am on Oct. 16, 2002)
Dm,
Just to give you those stats on Group 1 races in Europe:
GB 28 including 5 restricted to 2yos only<br>France 26 inc. 5 for 2yos<br>Ireland 10 inc. 3 for 2yos<br>Italy 8 inc. 1 for 2yos<br>Germany 7 and no races for 2yos
I make that 65 Group 1 races for older horses in Europe.
Hobnob,
I take your point about overuse of stallions – it does not seem so long ago that they only covered the 40+ mares belonging to share holders!
However, even though stallions are far more used at home and on shuttle duty, I think that even the most commercial stallion masters realise there comes a point where it makes their offspring less valuable if the market is saturated.
We are more involved with arabs than TBs and AI works well there. The top Maktoum stallions are all AI and it not only prevents their stallions getting any diseases it keeps the costs down for the mare owners as they do not have to travel and board away for weeks.
I agree it is important to put strict rules in place but think how more convenient it would be if you wanted to be covered by, for example, Giant’s Causeway, but did not want to fly off to America at huge expense and possible risk to mare and foal in utero.
I agree embryo transplant is on the horizon – they are already experimenting with it in Australia – and I think it is hard to stop progress. Much better to put rules and regulations in place now (rather than trying to ignore the possibility – as I think some movers and shakers are trying to do) so that it is controlled.
I also think that it may be a better way of getting outcrosses. Just think of all the extra Mr. Prospector/Blushing Groom/Sunday Silence blood you could tap into in the States and Japan (as well as Grand Lodge/Linamix etc if you are based in England).
It would also save the shuttle stallions from having the exhausting and potentially dangerous trips to Australia etc.
Best wishes,
Adrian<br>
Hobnob,
I’m interested to know whey you think introducing AI into the TB world would be a disaster.
I’ve preached the same point as you for years (quoting top horses/failed sires) but my wife has persuaded me otherwise.
DM, Just to back you up Nigel Gray (official Jockey Club handicapper) thought afterwards that Singapore was well up to International Group 1 class.
Indigenous is a good yardstick and he was 3rd to Eishin Preston and Agnes Digital (probably 2 of the best horses in the world) in Audemars Piguet Queen Elizabeth II Cup in April – with Grandera behind – over what is probably an inadequate trip of 10 furlongs.
I’m delighted that Godolphin are looking at the Arlington Million for Grandera and he may take on Paolini again. I think Terre A Terre is more likely for the Beverly D Stakes and Falbrav, good Italian winner at weekend, may also be pointed out there according the press.
Paolini ran first time up in blinkers on Saturday and they definitely sharpened him up. Andreas Suborics did well to miss the break and cut him to the rail from gate 13 so that he could save ground. He did pull early however. I think he will be a solid Group 1 performer again this year.
As for European winners of the Arlington Million well Silvano won it for Germany last year – having won in Singapore and Hong Kong earlier in the year. It does seem important to give them a summer break if they are going to be competitive in the Autumn.
In 2000 Godolphin’s Slickly was unplaced.
The last British winner was Teleprompter (Bill Watts) in 1985, following Tolomeo in 1983. French horses Mill Native (88), Dear Doctor (92), have also won the Million
Esc,
I absolutely agree that I really enjoy the day out and the social side of things. I know that my horse loves it too – naturally he likes running in a herd but he also seems to take a keen interest in the hounds and I can tell from experience that he loves keeping up with them.
I also think that controlling the population of foxes, mink or stags is a good thing – too many of any creatures can be a bad thing for the animals themselves in an urban country like outs.
On a few of your points, I said probably because we have so many foxes around this year I could not definitely say that we killed the one we were after but it was certainly within half a mile of the incident. Because we could not start hunting until Xmas this year there are so many foxes as we did not cull the sick and lame ones and the weakercubs (which look like full grown foxes and not babies by they way) from this years litter.<br>As for the lead hounds killing the fox instantly this certainly seems the way. We often take the fox quickly -very rarely having a long chase – and the first one there snaps it neck in an instinctive action.<br>I don’t know about foxes being bred – something I’ve never heard of and certainly outlawed by the very strict code of ethics that MFH have to abide by nowadays.<br>Finally remember that I love animals. We have 3 horses and dogs and we genuinely care for them. I think it is important to differentiate between pets and wild animals which need some sort of control if they are to thrive without impinging on humans.
Whats all this Tally Ho brigade business?<br>I hunt foxes in the winter and mink in the summer but do it as a hobby on Saturdays. I work hard the rest of the time and it seems to me there is some perceived class hatrid at work here. It certainly can’t be with respect to the packs I hunt with as there are very few snobby sorts out with us.<br>I hunt foxes for the love of the ride and to support the hunt which does a good job. Only last week we despatched a fox which probably killed all the chickens and ducks at a nearby farm. The hunt also works hard to preserve the coverts and hedges around here – making the countryside a better place.<br>With regard to mink they were let out by well meaning do gooders and now they are killing our indigenous river wildlife. I consider it a good ecologoical thing to get rid of them as they should not be there in the first place. What would be the alternative if hunting is banned here – to let mink kill all our voles, amphibians, fish etc?
Yes Escorial did win the Musidora in 1974. She was a chestnut fily by Royal Palace out of Asturia and had won both her starts at 2. As a 3yo she was beaten at odds on in the Pretty Polly before winning at York. She was 2nd favourite for the Oaks but finished 13th of 15 behind Polygamy. She was a highly strung filly but learned to settle later in her career. She bred a few winners, although nothing outstanding. Royal Heritage, a good winner in 1980 was the best of them.
