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  • #4232
    Venusian
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    I think it’s the usual suspects, Lasix and Bute.

    I’d expect Hawk Wing to run on Lasix.

    Any of the Europeans who haven’t shown a clear liking for fast ground (assuming that’s what gets to be served up), will probably be on Bute, I’d imagine.

    #100573
    prince regent
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    <br>both lasix and bute are allowed in illinois

     bute  is a pain killer ideal for any horses with weak joints  especially  as venusian points out if the ground rides firm  also as the horse will feel no pain they will stride out more to the line  it does not make them run faster but it enable horses to keep the same speed longer

    lasix  is of help to bleeders and horses with respitory problems  again it wont make a horse run faster  but will help them keep to their top speed longer

     i would think most european horses will use one or the  other   they would be disadvanatged without i would think.

        if i recall correctly  only fabre has not run his horses as a rule on medication.

      also german fillies will not run on medication   as their breeders will lose their  breeding incentive bonuses they are entitled to if returned to germany

    #100576
    Adrian
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    Trainers will have to declare their use of Lasix on 23rd October and this will be administered by a vet on the morning of the race.  You will see which ones are on it in the Racing Post.  

    To be allowed to run on Lasix the horse has to have previously bled in a race – in the case of Americans – or to have a veterinary certificate stating this in the case of Europeans.

    You cannot run for 14 days after bleeding.

    Last year in New York every European ran on it with the exceptions of Banks Hill, Spring Oak and Slew The Red<br>- the Fabre runners.

    Trainers do not have to declare Bute – all though many will be trained on it.  You cannot administer it after 11.05 on Friday October 25th – 24 hours before post time for the Breeders’ Cup day.

    As regards dehydration most trainers will give an electrolyte "jug" on arrival.  Dehydration will be monitored by the trainers and electrolytes will be given as appropriate.

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    (Edited by Adrian at 9:42 am on Oct. 16, 2002)

    #100577
    pengamon
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    Adrian Ive often heard and read that its harder to ship a horse from west to east than from east to west. Ive never seen any explanation for this and was wondering if it’s true?-or just American propaganda?!?

    #100579
    Adrian
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    Factors such as ground and humidity – and time of year of course – all have an effect on shipping.

    However I don’t follow the West-East theory.  After all Frankel does really well in New York and on a world scale the British seem to be able to ship well to Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan etc, going East.

    The ground is still riding on the firm side at Arlington but some rain is forecast for later in the week.  It is also very cold (40’s).  I’ll have more updates when I get there on Friday.

    #100582
    pengamon
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    My 15 day advance forecast looks to have been pretty accurate!

    #100583
    Aidan
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    Just a few things that came up in my lexture today:<br>80% of horses bleed(or burst) in their lungs after serious work but most is so insignificant the body is more than able to deal with it. 10% of horses will bleed seriously. As we no in America they use Lasix to deal with this. This lowers the blood volume of the horse which actually lowers the body weight by 0.5%. <br> <br>

    #100585
    prince regent
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    <br>adrian<br>is it not 30 days after in illinois  they banned a horse today becuase  of this (according to the rp)

    #100586
    Racing Daily
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    Run them with a Vicks inhaler up their nose.  That’s bound to make them twice the horse thaey would be on lasix LOL  (Sorry, very scottish joke with a little sarcasm).

    #100587
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    Prince Regent,

    The Illinois Racing Board state that "when a horse is added to the furosemide (ie Lasix) list, it shall be placed on the veterinarian’s list and shall be ineligble to race for 14 days"

    Which article in the Racing Post did you read about 30 days as I’d like to follow up on this.

    #100589
    rory
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    Alain Baxter is innocent!!!

    #100591
    prince regent
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    <br>adrian

    there was a very small  item in the rp yesterday  it just said   the horse……….. will not be running at the bc meeting because   of  the 30 day rule on the use of lasix in illionois

     when i get home  if the wife has not thrown it out   i will   type it out for u

    #100592
    Adrian
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    PR,

    Found it – it is to do with Pleasantly Perfect who bled at Santa Anita on October 6th – William Hill are refunding betting on it as he was supposedly not able to run from that day.

    I’m surprised and will check this out with Arlington

    #100593
    Adrian
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    Apparently it is a rule that it is 30 days if they are bleeding for a 2nd time.  This was the case with<br>Pleasantly Perfect.

    #100594
    prince regent
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    <br>thanks adrian  that is the article i read   wish the rp  had mentioned  that it  is effective on the 2nd time

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