- This topic has 2,110 replies, 25 voices, and was last updated 3 years, 6 months ago by
.
- Posts
Thanks Judge. Seems to be well fancied this Count Octave and he looks a nice type from the photos. 3/4 brother to Treasure Beech. Tomorrow there is an interesting one as Icespire, a half sister to Special Duty, makes her debut at Salisbury.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Well Count Octave couldn’t get it done but really impressed with Monarch’s Glen.
Looks a fabulous looking colt and a derby contender for sure. Well-named as just as magnificent looking as the stag in the painting.
He has made a fantastic start. I heard Gosden interviewed yesterday after the Zetland and it is clear he thinks Cunco is a horse who still has plenty to offer.
The Frankel statue is now at the new Newmarket racing museum. The link is to when it was at Ascot.
I took a photo of the statue today at Newmarket but don’t know how to upload it. Copy/paste didn’t work.
Most stallions usually take a couple of years before we know how they will do. Coolmore normally give their stallions 3 to 4 seasons to prove themselves. Only concern from the current crop of Frankel’s is they don’t seem,at the moment at least,to be progressing after their first or second run. Plenty of time for that to change but the temperament issue could be a problem in them fully showing their ability and that just goes to show what an amazing job sir Henry did. if the Galileo influence gradually creeps into the breed then he should produce a few top notchers. We shall see but in a couple of years the liked of gleneagles,australia and magician plus the ghurka will be competing for the same mares and Frankel will need to get some champions in the next few seasons. Breeding isn’t an exact science and a lot of it is due to luck although coolmore have got it right so many times they must be doing something right. Forgot about so you think and American Pharaoh as well although they might not breed over here too much.
Lots of interesting views here, though the key issue going forwards here for me is less Galileo v Frankel and more whether (or not) Frankel becomes the heir apparent in this male line (which is the ‘long view’ to Joni’s thread title). Galileo is 18 now – and he has yet to produce an obvious successor, at least from those who have a fair few crops of racing age. There again, looking at their dates, SW was around the same age when he sired Galileo so there is a little time left yet.
The crux for Frankel as a sire though is that the pressure is really on him to succeed early – more so, I think, than is normal for a classic horse. Much of this is about the weight of expectation that came as a result of his performances on the racecourse and a collective wish for a superstar racehorse to be as successful at stud. Some is about the Coolmore Galileo pipeline that is Australia, Gleneagles and then The Gurkha and Churchill. But it is also about how all this dovetails with Galileo’s age. For this line to continue to dominate, it’s very important to establish the Galileo X Danehill cross as a strong branch of this male line, to set alongside Galileo X Storm Cat (Gleneagles, Churchill), and also Galileo X Cape Cross (Australia). So far, aside from Frankel himself, Noble Mission and Intello, there is just Teofilo as an established example of what the Galileo X Danehill cross produces as sires – & I’m not that convinced by him. This is why Frankel’s first two crops matter (and why Juddmonte were so keen to push the quality in his first books).
Incidentally, one of the main reasons why Galileo was slow to get going was mentioned in the GG and the speed gene thread – they sent him ‘classic-type’ staying mares, and the result was staying types (‘2 milers’ as I think Jim Bolger described them!). It is only once he was put to speedier mares that things looked up. This is also why there is this pinch point in terms of the successor sons at the end of his career.
I’ll wait till the end of the year to summarise my thoughts on Crop 1 of Frankel’s.
Icespire a winner by 4l today. His fillies to see the racecourse seem much more tractable than his colts on the available evidence to date.
Re: Icespire today:
“She just stood in the stalls there and was relaxed, but a month ago she was a bit of a handful,” rider Robert Havlin said. “She was the ultimate professional but when the gates opened she stood still, so I just took my time on her. She used to get on her toes a bit, but we’ve kept the same rider on her every day. She wears the hood at home every day and has been as good as gold in it. I rode her work on Friday and she felt classy and she gave me that feel here. She’ll definitely get further. She’s a lengthener and she settled into a rhythm really nicely. She’s a big-framed filly and will be a lovely filly next year.”Video: http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/3/65796/
The colt that ran in the Dewhurst, Seventh Heaven, looked very ingenuine, also burly and heavy topped on the TV.
Frankel seems to be getting a bit heavy topped and portly at the stud. I would like him to do well, but I am beginning to wonder if his male stock will train on or whether temperament issues and soundness issues will crop up frequently. I suspect some of the colts will be gelded. He may well be a better sire of fillies, they look better models than some of the colts.I was thinking about some of the very highly rated colts at stud. Many of them, Ribot, Brigadier Gerard, Sea Bird and Right Boy were unfashionably bred. Of those Ribot was much the best, but staying in the USA might not have helped him, Right Boy was a sprinter. Frankel is one of the few highly rated colts to have been fashionably bred, the other would be Tudor Minstrel. It will be interesting to see if Frankel is a proper success or ends up like Brigadier Gerard, who made a similar good beginning to his stud career.
It’s a pity Mr Caution is not on hand to find the videos.
Monarch’s Glen race from Goodwood yesterday:
You know you can just watch all these replays for free on sportinglife website anyway.
All you need is a sky account.
Please, keep posting the races here, as Denmark has different gambling laws I cannot obtain membership on Sky or any other bookmaker. I’ve had an account with William Hill, but that does’nt work anymore as my credit card is Danish or whatever..so no more good prices, tote only
Best Wishes
SilkAnother new runner for Frankel, with a top of the range pedigree: Ambrosia – a filly out of Pearling, a full-sister to Giants Causeway and Youresothrilling (the dam of Gleneagles). In the 6:55 at Kempton tomorrow. Trained by Roger Varian.
Been away for 10 days (back tomorrow night) and Frankel has had so many runners .. will be trying to catch up with all the videos posted here. The fillies certainly seem to be flying high. Still waiting for TZAVO (Hugo Palmer) to make an appearance. Hugo has said this colt could be the heir apparent but so far no sign of an entry for him.
Thanks to Nathan for keeping my Frankel Flyers Thread in Daily Lays and Plays updated for me he must be Frankled Out this past week with all the runners..thanks Nathan and also Joni, I think we may still be hanging onto a small profit on all his runners this season.
Regarding Frankel’s heavy frame as mentioned by Crepello ..when I went to see him they did say he was much more ‘Let Down’ than last year .. not quite sure what that means and maybe that’s the reason.
Looking forward to getting back for all the action.. Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Another new Frankel today in the Haydock 3:45. A colt called Weekender out of Very Good News, a half-sister to Group 1 winners Champs Elysees, Cacique, Banks Hill, Intercontinental, and top clas sire Dansili. Trained by John Gosden.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.