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No it’s not a fact but when I saw he was wearing a hood in the parade ring I feared the worst.
Given that mulish display I bet Gosden had wished he’d left it on!
Still Cunco ran well later and he had similar habits earlier in the year.
You’ll try and settle the horse for while, teaching, in the lower ranks. Then accept a different tactic, instead of burning fuel and possibly taking the joy of racing from the horse. It seems lately all racing is about fast finishes, the Dewhurst is 7f and not a sprint. It’s run as if it was a 4,5f running start race.
Watching youtube the other day, a lot of Dewhurst winners/runner ups were up at the pace if not leading.
A few of them on the following link (don’t know if this the same espamarid as TRF’s): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfn5x2SD03q76qbURuaziXRLxQtsMt6jGYou could be right Judge, maybe they are bad tempered horses (the Frankels), a bunch of one bullet, flat out…I don’t think so, though.
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SilkFrankuus today: https://youtu.be/2Uo-BS6jpxk
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SilkSeven Heavens is so frustrating to watch at the moment because he is not allowing himself the chance to fulfill his potential by p!ssing about. He’s more immature than myself but he’s still young. Gosden needs to get hold of him over the winter and show him who’s boss. I believe this horse will win some big races next year.
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Interesting to compare the three Frankel colts today.
Frankuus and Cunco are two of a kind who both have had plenty of racing, and who have improved temperamentally for that racing. They are both solid, tough, gutsy gallopers who are best when up with the pace. There’s nothing flash about them; they just knuckle down to it and try their best. Both now race as seasoned racehorses, and they look to be Listed/Group 3 level at present. If they remind me of anything to do with their dad, it’s more like watching Noble Mission and Bullet Train than Frankel himself.
Seven Heavens is cut from a different cloth. He looks like Frankel and he races like him but I’m far from convinced that he will ever fulfil his potential, at least over classic distances. Temperamentally, he is just far too energetic and anxious to get on with it – and, tellingly, it is not getting any better with trips to the racecourse. If anything, his behaviour pattern is cementing. Once this happens, it’s very difficult to reverse it. I was surprised they ran him in this, tbh. Yes, he has ability and they clearly think a lot of him but his relative physical immaturity (May 21 foal) was really obvious today compared particularly to Churchill (Jan 31) but also the others. I also wonder what the experience of not being able to go with these other, bigger horses when the chips were down will have done to him mentally.
It will be interesting to see where they go from here with SH. For me, whilst he looks like Frankel, it is worth remembering how Sir Henry kept on saying how much of Kind was in Frankel. Kind was bred to be a middle distance horse but she refused to settle and became a sprinter instead. I sense the only option for SH at the top level will be to let him run and allow him to use his engine.
For those who are interested in the visual comparisons, it’s instructive to look at the photos of Kind, which are also worth comparing with Jac’s pictures of Frankel.
I think what the last few days, and in fact the season in general has proved, is that Frankel will most certainly not rule the world.
Yes he’ll be a very good stallion. He’ll have a lot of worldwide winners at a very high level. But he will not knock his Daddy off his perch, who still reigns supreme as the best stallion around and one of the best in history.
Galileo certainly seems to have passed on his calm demeanour and I’m sure it’s one of the reasons he has been phenomenally successful. Also some great matches with some superb fillies. John magnier has an allegedly encyclopaedic knowledge of blood lines. Churchill is one handsome horse. He does his dad proud.
Seven Heavens is so frustrating to watch at the moment because he is not allowing himself the chance to fulfill his potential by p!ssing about. He’s more immature than myself but he’s still young. Gosden needs to get hold of him over the winter and show him who’s boss. I believe this horse will win some big races next year.
Like you he should be gelded!!!
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Galileo certainly seems to have passed on his calm demeanour and I’m sure it’s one of the reasons he has been phenomenally successful. Also some great matches with some superb fillies. John magnier has an allegedly encyclopaedic knowledge of blood lines. Churchill is one handsome horse. He does his dad proud.
In agreement with you, all of it
. He really looks massive and imposing, Churchill, I don’t believe him to have been at that size in his first couple of runs.
Let me just remind everyone that: “Galileo hadn’t yet made much noise; he didn’t have a black-type winner with his first two-year-olds in 2005, and entered 2006 well down in the second five among 2005 freshman sires by progeny earnings.” (http://www.summerhill.co.za/blog/2011/5/20/galileo-world-number-one.html)
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SilkYep, KS, way too soon to be judging Frankel.
Ever since taking an interest in racing – I remember writing to Tony Morris about this almost 40 years ago – I’ve wondered what early retirement to stud does as far as a stallion passing on ‘mature’ genes goes. I’ll start another thread in order not to derail this one.
A couple of interesting Frankels entered in the 4.20 at Goodwood today in case anyone hasn’t spotted – Monarch’s Glen & Count Octave
Galileo certainly seems to have passed on his calm demeanour and I’m sure it’s one of the reasons he has been phenomenally successful. Also some great matches with some superb fillies. John magnier has an allegedly encyclopaedic knowledge of blood lines. Churchill is one handsome horse. He does his dad proud.
In agreement with you, all of it
. He really looks massive and imposing, Churchill, I don’t believe him to have been at that size in his first couple of runs.
Let me just remind everyone that: “Galileo hadn’t yet made much noise; he didn’t have a black-type winner with his first two-year-olds in 2005, and entered 2006 well down in the second five among 2005 freshman sires by progeny earnings.” (http://www.summerhill.co.za/blog/2011/5/20/galileo-world-number-one.html)
Galileo’s early books of mares were very average, Coolmore didn’t even support him, you can’t compare his first 2yos to Frankel’s. Frankel’s first book of mares was as good, if not better, than Galileo’s in 2013. so his 2yos should be judged against this year’s Galileo 2yos: which include two G1 winners and 2 runners up in G1s, and favourites for all of next year’s Classics.
Galileo certainly seems to have passed on his calm demeanour and I’m sure it’s one of the reasons he has been phenomenally successful. Also some great matches with some superb fillies. John magnier has an allegedly encyclopaedic knowledge of blood lines. Churchill is one handsome horse. He does his dad proud.
In agreement with you, all of it
. He really looks massive and imposing, Churchill, I don’t believe him to have been at that size in his first couple of runs.
Let me just remind everyone that: “Galileo hadn’t yet made much noise; he didn’t have a black-type winner with his first two-year-olds in 2005, and entered 2006 well down in the second five among 2005 freshman sires by progeny earnings.” (http://www.summerhill.co.za/blog/2011/5/20/galileo-world-number-one.html)
Galileo’s early books of mares were very average, Coolmore didn’t even support him, you can’t compare his first 2yos to Frankel’s. Frankel’s first book of mares was as good, if not better, than Galileo’s in 2013. so his 2yos should be judged against this year’s Galileo 2yos: which include two G1 winners and 2 runners up in G1s, and favourites for all of next year’s Classics.
You’re right one can’t compare the quality of books, just pointing out that firstseason is not the Sire maker, quite a few First Season Sire Champions never came near the top of the General Sires list.
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SilkIt does take a few crops to find the crosses that work for a stallion, as it did for Galileo. However, breeders have more limited options with Frankel, unless they want to risk breeding 3×3 or closer to daughters or granddaughters of the two leading broodmare sires in recent years, Sadler’s Wells and Danehill, who make up a substantial proportion of the best broodmares.
Yes I wouldn’t be too hasty in writing off Frankel just yet Judge. As well as the comments above I would add that most professionals were expecting his progeny to be better at 3 and many have expressed surprise at how many have done so well at 2. We have still only seen a relatively small percentage (about 25% I believe) and most of those we HAVE seen have shown something. He has had 4 individual Group winners (the same as Galileo) and any number of promising maiden winners some of whom still have to run in Group races this season.
There is no doubt that Galileo is once again showing what an incredible sire he is and he has set the bar at a height that it will be almost impossible to match (how do you beat a 1,2,3 in an Arc!) This years crop of 2 year olds look just as good if not better than previous years and he is still head and shoulders above any other stallion. I do worry that several of the Frankel’s have shown far too much temperament. But when you look at horses like Mi Suerte, Atty Persse, Swiss Storm, Eminent, Aljezeera, Soul Stirring Monarchs Glen, Franked, Last Kingdom etc as well as the group winners, you see any number of unexposed 2 year olds who could easily be competing at the top level next season.
I made a big statement with the title of this thread and obviously it will take more than 4 Group winners to be able to say I was even close to being right, but I would rather regroup this time next year when we will all have a much clearer idea. It has been a disappointing couple of weeks but, overall, an amazing first season and I certainly haven’t lost the faith yet!!
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