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Horses can develop over the winter, this one seems to have a fair bit of ability but plenty of quirks which will need sorting out but better that way than having a horse with a lovely settled attitude but can’t run. I’d be wary backing him Ante Post as Gosden won’t even run him in a guineas if he hasn’t settled by then.
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I thought that was very impressive. Ok only one rival but to pull like that and still win doing handsprings?
The thing is they worked out the best way to run Frankel in the guineas. As he pulled that hard why not just let him run? And then he destroyed them. My guess is Gosden will continue to plot a quiet route with this horse then if they unleash him in the guineas, you might just see huge improvement.
Anyone that still thinks it was easy training Frankel need only look at that race today. JG is struggling to teach them to settle on the evidence of the two of his we have seen so far. OK he was lit up by the bump and he did settle better in his first race but as you guys say he will have to sharpen up his act if he is to fulfil his obvious potential. Still, I liked the way he came there swinging despite the pulling and I think he remains very promising. His next race will tell us more.
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I’m not sure that we learned anything today, his single opponent had no form and no entries, and seemed content to play the role of pacemaker. His next race will hopefully tell us a lot more, though I’m not sure about stepping up to a mile in the Royal Lodge.
Yes you are right it was deeply uncompetitive. Reminded me of an Irish Group 1. JG didn’t enter him for the Royal Lodge so he would need to be added. Interestingly he has entries in the Middle Park and Mill Reef but I doubt they would bring him back to 6f. This horse needs to learn to settle.
As an aside, I am a little surprised that no trainer has thought of using Tom Queally for any of the Frankel’s. He has his critics but it can’t be denied that he helped keep Frankel calm before his races. Surely nobody knows how to handle them better than he does.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Under the circumstances, I think Seven Heavens did well to win the way how he did. This horse reminds me more of Frankel than any of the others we’ve seen so far. Yes, he has teething problems but he’s in very good hands with Mr Gosden
Cunco on the other hand
I still think that between now and the end of the season, a top Frankel colt will come along and challenge for favouritism for the 2000. Seems inevitable really.
Don’t forget that Seven Heavens was born on 21 May, a late foal. Maybe in a few months the extra maturity will curb his over-enthusiasm, and allow him to use his energy in a more disciplined manner. A horse with that amount of physical energy, if attached to a mature mental approach to racing could be very very good.
Fair Eva’s birthday is 12 April, and Queen Kindly’s is 14 January. That sort of age difference as two-year-olds in midsummer could be significant.
A word of warning- Late foals have a dismal record in the guineas. Air Force Blue was a late foal.
Oh I definitely think he has the talent to be very good. You could see that with the way he quickened instantly 2 out. He is definitely the most Frankel-like of all the colts we have seen so far. He just needs to settle and Judge is right that late foals are not typically Guineas winners. What really impressed me with this one was reading how he works with Predilection who is a 98 rated older horse who won last time at Newmarket. Seven Heavens quickened 6 lengths clear of him last weekend.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Have only just caught up on the replay of Seven Heavens – & is he one ‘naughty, boisterous boyo’! OK, the race itself is a non-event but in terms of interesting things to observe there’s a lot going on. This is the one who is the carbon copy of Frankel himself; he spends the best part of 2.5f well and truly lit up; yes he comes there cruising, but then in the last furlong plus there is none of the power through the line that was there on his first start. In part that can be explained by the antics in the first half of the race but I think he was running on empty at the end. Maybe this is why JG didn’t enter him in the Royal Lodge – ok, there’s stamina in the bottom line but Heaven Sent is a Pivotal (and they can be all things).
In sum, there’s plenty of raw ability there but this will all come to nothing unless they can teach him to settle. Like others, I’m not at all convinced that this race will have done him any good whatsoever. Watching this it was like what Frankel might have been, had it not been for Shane Fetherstonehaugh’s patience and hands, plus a glimpse of all too much of Kind’s influence – which seems to be coming out in the colts.
I think we can now all see what JG was referring to a few months ago when he called them ‘wilful – almost too wilful’ and added, ‘they’d run through a wall for you’. It speaks volumes that JG is putting up Havlin on him, who I seem to recall he mentioned at Royal Ascot as being the key work rider on the quality horses for the yard.
Joni is so right to keep emphasising the masterclass that HRAC gave in his handling of Frankel’s 2yo career. I keep thinking back to Frankel’s second race @ Donny (a 7f conditions race) – small field, straight track, and strong opposition that ensured there was sufficient pace for Frankel not to mess around and learn bad habits. Perhaps they thought the opposition wouldn’t cut up as much with the prize money on offer but I can’t work out why they chose Goodwood for Race 2. Frankel didn’t get to go there until his first Sussex Stakes, by which time he was getting to be far more tractable.
Next up in the Training Frankels challenge we have Elsworth & Haggis … on which there are some choice quotes on the RP this evening from DE!
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@ Cruella – yes, agreed! I have been crunching away through the pedigrees that are in the public domain and Crop 2 only has one Selkirk mare (but with loads of ND on the bottom). I can’t work out why there are not more Sharpen Up’s coming in to Frankel given how Doubly Sure/Diesis/Kris seems to work with Galileo.It’s an interesting struggle with both Frankel himself and also his progeny, with their obvious physical talents vs their apparent mental drawbacks.
I was reading today that inbreeding can lead to mental disorders in humans, and I guess that could be a problem with horses as well, as some have stated there is some inbreeding in the Frankel bloodline. Are the Frankel’s just damn crazy?
Anyway regardless of that the Frankel train rolls on relentlessly. Tomorrow Swiss Storm, from a very successful family on the female line as well. Should be very interesting to see how he gets on, even if he’s hardly backable at around evens already.
Godolphin have changed the name of Watchman (a half brother to Dubawi) to UAE King which has to be a good sign!
It is a good sign but I still prefer the name ‘Watchman’ … it rolls off the tongue much better than UAE King :P
Delighted for Frankuus today. Gloss back on I reckon! Should have stepped him up earlier though.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
A word of warning- Late foals have a dismal record in the guineas. Air Force Blue was a late foal.
Since 2010, in the 2000 Guineas, there have been 108 runners. Fourteen of them were born on or after 16 April, which might be considered late in the foaling season; up to 15 April is about thirteen weeks, and 16 April and after is about six weeks. The late foals seem to have done as well anyone could expect, neither particularly badly nor particularly well.
14 late foals out of 108 = 13%
1 late foal winner from 7 winners = 14%
3 late foals in the “first three” from 21 “first three” horses = 14%There have been a couple of high profile late foaled failures in the last few years, but maybe they have been balanced by Dawn Approach, Dick Turpin and Hermival. Going back only seven years and finding only fourteen late foals is not a great sample size, so there might be a case for invoking coincidence, but so far it seems that the later foals might have caught up by 2000 Guineas time.
Great run from Frankuus today Joni, he definitely likes Haydock and the extra furlong was no problem to him.
Exciting race and Cunco got close enough to his half brother to eyeball him and try to take him on but Frankuus had more to give and kicked for home holding off the challenge of Star Of Rory to win cosily.Frankel progeny currently showing a clear profit of around £118 to a £10 stake, depending on prices taken.
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...It will be very interesting to see how the subsequent crops do. It has been a brilliant start, but don’t forget he had the very best mares! If I remember correctly Brigadier Gerard had some pretty good runners in his first couple of crops but was eventually a disaster. Of course Frankel will have triple the books that stallions in the 1970s had.
Inbreeding will be a problem when his sons and daughters go to stud. Inbreeding has always occurred but there used to be other lines to cross out to, now there are only about three bloodlines in general use.There are a whole host of Frankel’s lined up for action this week. Zefferino starts things rolling at Leicester tomorrow and then we have Senator, Majoris as well as the debutante Khattar all entered at Donny along with San Remo from Ireland. At Sandown on Friday there is Rainbow Legacy and Monarchs Glen having their first day at school and over in France there is the newcomer Moon Mountain as well as Toulifaut in a Group 3 and Last Kingdom.
Much will depend on the ground I suppose but hopefully most of these will run and hopefully this is a sign of things to come over the last couple of months of the season.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Exciting race and Cunco got close enough to his half brother to eyeball him and try to take him on but Frankuus had more to give and kicked for home holding off the challenge of Star Of Rory to win cosily.
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