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Kilmah never ran to her form today, so you can dismiss her from the equation. Beaten a short head by Nations Alexander last time she was 4 and a half lengths behind today.
Nations Alexander had the benefit of previous experience when meeting Fair Eva on debut. Trying to translate form from debut to then meeting the same horse on your third start, when they are having their 6th start, would be a dangerous caper with 2yo horses I feel.
The handicappers tend to tread warily with these 2yos for a reason.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I think it proved the point I made earlier that fillies go best when there is consistency in who rides them. Jamie Spencer gave Queen Kindly a great ride today and even though there was a point where she was short of room, he didn’t switch her left or right to make a challenge and possibly ruin her momentum, he sat tight and waited for the gap to widen and took her through. He is not always everyones favourite jockey but when he connects with a horse for example Big Orange and this filly there is non better.
Personally, I don’t think Spencer did anything better than James McDonald. I suspect plenty of punters would have been more than happy to see McDonald on board at Goodwood.
Fair Point, I agree that James McDonald seemed to have been overlooked by Michael Bell at Goodwood on both Big Orange and the ill fated Franklin D. They both won so guess the punters were happy.
So sad that he has lost Franklin D this week.Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...I feel like I owe Sunspangled an apology. Richard Fahey yesterday repeated his view that some trainers are afraid to run their Frankel’s for fear of getting beat. I hope that this is not true of ALL trainers and I am sure owners will not like to have their expensive purchases sitting in their boxes. I still hope we get to see plenty more before the season is out. Anyway sorry SSPGLD!
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It’s pretty pointless running frankels progeny in middling races to try and ensure they don’t get beat. Frankel will be judged on group one and two winners and not by how many winners he gets. There are cracking stallions like Camelot,Australia,magician and gleneagles who will soon have their progeny hit the racecourse and the likes of the ghurka and highland reel and postponed from this year so Frankel needs to be hitting the top spot in big races in the next couple of years. You can never predict who the next Galileo will be but what’s are the odds it could well be one of his offspring who take up his title when he retires. By the way what a staggering year Galileo is having even by his standards. With still a huge amount of group ones left in the season he could set records which will last a long time. Could it be he is getting better at stud even at the age of17. Just staggering the number of top class horses he produces and with so many brilliant fillies coolmore will be churning out group one winners for many years to come.
Trainers might be slightly reticent to run a Frankel, ie getting them fitter than their usual debutant. That’s about it, can’t see horses sitting in their box for months just because it might be a below average Frankel.
Frankel’s on course record has led to attracting top class mares, but every top class sire attracts top class mares.
Value Is EverythingIt’s pretty pointless running frankels progeny in middling races to try and ensure they don’t get beat. Frankel will be judged on group one and two winners and not by how many winners he gets. There are cracking stallions like Camelot,Australia,magician and gleneagles who will soon have their progeny hit the racecourse and the likes of the ghurka and highland reel and postponed from this year so Frankel needs to be hitting the top spot in big races in the next couple of years. You can never predict who the next Galileo will be but what’s are the odds it could well be one of his offspring who take up his title when he retires. By the way what a staggering year Galileo is having even by his standards. With still a huge amount of group ones left in the season he could set records which will last a long time. Could it be he is getting better at stud even at the age of17. Just staggering the number of top class horses he produces and with so many brilliant fillies coolmore will be churning out group one winners for many years to come.
At the moment Galileo is THE top sire, absolutely outstanding at producing top class racehorses. But I’d put Frankel, Dubawi, Sea The Stars and Shamardal a long way clear of any other Coolmore sire. Sorry Mickey, “Camelot, Australia, Magician and Gleneagles” can not be described as “cracking sires”. There’s a possibility but no more than that, they have no record yet. Australia has a better chance than the others, but it’s still odds-against making the TOP grade. Galileo is 18 years old, been at stud since the age of 4 and is running out of time to produce a top class sire for Coolmore. Frankel is now in pole position to replace his dad at the very top, must be frustrating for team Coolmore seeing Frankel at a rival stud.
Value Is EverythingI feel like I owe Sunspangled an apology. Richard Fahey yesterday repeated his view that some trainers are afraid to run their Frankel’s for fear of getting beat. I hope that this is not true of ALL trainers and I am sure owners will not like to have their expensive purchases sitting in their boxes. I still hope we get to see plenty more before the season is out. Anyway sorry SSPGLD!
Thanks Jonibake, that’s very gracious of you
You can never tell how a horse will do at stud but coolmore has many potential top stallions and I’d say if I was betting on it one of them will become very good. Depends a lot on the mares they cover but gleneagles to me looks the most likely and if his progeny have his beautiful action he could well be a top stallion. Any horse becoming a stallion is a gamble so we shall see. Remember coolmore have bought American pharaoh and have the likes of fastnet rock who have a fantastic record in Australia. Galileo dwarfs everybody else regards stallion results so when he’s not there the mares he would have covered will be spread elsewhere. The fact that he is so dominant suggests there is room for a few others to take his place. The godolphins sires figures are skewed by earnings in Dubai so wouldn’t take that at face value. Everything has its time in the ascendancy but coolmore has so many cracking mares the like of Australia and gleneagles by the law of averages will produce a few champions. We shall see over the next decade.
Apologies, I hit the wrong button there, was aiming for quote !
Great temperament, and the passing on of that temperament to progeny, is critical in a sire, and I think that is the quality that makes Galileo the sire that he is. And Australia has inherited that temperament, I think that is what Coolmore are counting on more than anything else.
Trainers might be slightly reticent to run a Frankel, ie getting them fitter than their usual debutant. That’s about it, can’t see horses sitting in their box for months just because it might be a below average Frankel.
Frankel’s on course record has led to attracting top class mares, but every top class sire attracts top class mares.
Frankel had 66 G1 winners/producers in his first book of mares, which was very slightly more than Galileo. So we have the perfect benchmark to compare Frankel’s 2yos against at the end of the season (and his 3yos next year), if he is to replace Galileo as a supersire.
Frankel’s book of mares has obviously declined since that first exceptional one, he had 22 G1 winners/producers last year, this year was down further on that.
They say that when a partner in a marriage is being cheated on, they are the last person to know about it.
It seems in the case of Fair Eva and Roger Charlton, this has proved to be the same as “Sherlock” Charlton has now said the following:-
Charlton said: “I thought Fair Eva ran below expectations, but nothing untoward has come to light. The plan is to run again this season, but at seven furlongs. I think six furlongs was definitely too sharp for her.”
Frankie tried to play the role of Dr Watson and clue “Holmes” up. Moriarty Caution gave early and ample warning that Eva had been visiting 7F singles bars on the side but he wouldn’t take the hint.
Elementary My Dear Charlton.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
The Rockfel Stakes next I imagine. They’ll be looking for a confidence boosting win next time, I can’t see them taking on the Ballydoyle fillies in the Moyglare on home ground, where they are likely to make it a real test on very possibly softish ground.
More Frankel juveniles set to hit the track
BY DAVID MILNES 7:10PM 22 AUG 2016
FRANKEL has made a phenomenal start to his stud career with 15 winners already on the board and nine individual winners from just 13 of his offspring who have hit the racecourse. Our Newmarket correspondent David Milnes, who tracked the Sir Henry Cecil-trained superstar through his career on the Newmarket gallops, focuses on some of the second wave of baby Frankels who are about to hit the track.
Swiss Storm (David Elsworth)
This powerful colt could debut at the Newmarket July course, just as his sire did six years ago, as he is entered in a 7f maiden there on Friday. A half-brother to smart sprinters Swiss Spirit and Swiss Diva, Swiss Storm is still part-owned by his breeders Lordship Stud but it is noticeable Elsworth himself has also taken a share. In a rare move, Elsworth boxed the colt to the other side of Newmarket for an early morning exercise on the Al Bahathri last week which left connections purring.Rainbow Legacy (Sir Michael Stoute)
Stoute is yet to run any of his Frankels, but this strapping colt is the most forward and not far off a run. Entered in next year’s Investec Derby, he is the only Frankel on the books of the Ballymacoll Stud and is bred to stay well as his dam is a full-sister to former Stoute-trained top-notchers Golan and Tartan Bearer. Rainbow Legacy has been pleasing in his work on the all-weather surfaces of late and can be expected to debut sometime next month over seven furlongs or a mile.David Milnes has news of three more unraced Frankel two-year-olds. Read about them first in Tuesday’s Racing Post. Available to download from 8pm the night before on iPad.
Agreed – The Rockfel looks the obvious race. Good article in the RP today about the next batch of Frankel’s about to hit the track…..
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