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Kinda gone downhill since that cretin joined…..
A Cretin is a person who suffers from growth abnormality {cretinism}, usually from birth, so your use of the word to describe me is insulting to the people who suffer from the condition. Similar to my use of Dyke, shirt lifter, fudge packer. Smells of hypocrisy JJ.
Kinda gone downhill since that cretin joined…..
A Cretin is a person who suffers from growth abnormality {cretinism}, usually from birth, so your use of the word to describe me is insulting to the people who suffer from the condition. Similar to my use of Dyke, shirt lifter, fudge packer. Smells of hypocrisy JJ.
There’s not just the one derivation of “cretin”, however – it is also taken from the Latin christianus (with a line over the a), which can also mean anything from “Christian” to “poor fellow”. The terms you listed, meanwhile, are unambiguously vulgar.
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Kinda gone downhill since that cretin joined…..
A Cretin is a person who suffers from growth abnormality {cretinism}, usually from birth, so your use of the word to describe me is insulting to the people who suffer from the condition. Similar to my use of Dyke, shirt lifter, fudge packer. Smells of hypocrisy JJ.
There’s not just the one derivation of “cretin”, however – it is also taken from the Latin christianus (with a line over the a), which can also mean anything from “Christian” to “poor fellow”. The terms you listed, meanwhile, are unambiguously vulgar.
I suppose your one of those holier than thou persons, that never used vulgar words or subtle innuendos in conversation. I used them to be more forceful in getting my point across in my dislike of the said individuals. If I offended anyone, than except my apoligies. But please don’t preach, if your not one of those holier than thou’s.[/color:2mqx3rv6]
cre·tin /ˈkritn or, especially Brit., ˈkrɛtn/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[kreet-n or, especially Brit., kret-n] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person suffering from cretinism.
2. a stupid, obtuse, or mentally defective person.JJ may have been going for number 2 here when he called you a cretin. I very much doubt he’d intentionally offend anyone unfortunate enough to suffer from cretinism. Hope that makes you feel better now MM.
a bad idea for a thread imo, it only encourages personal insults at people who can’t speak back and are just doing their job
granted there’s a couple that force me to use the mute or off button but no need to slag ’em down on a forum
at the end of the day i am pleased i can watch every race on telly
a bad idea for a thread imo
A very good idea for a thread imo thanks very much sberry and an excellent response from members.
Where has the poll gone though
There’s not just the one derivation of “cretin”, however – it is also taken from the Latin christianus (with a line over the a), which can also mean anything from “Christian” to “poor fellow”. The terms you listed, meanwhile, are unambiguously vulgar.
I suppose your one of those holier than thou persons, that never used vulgar words or subtle innuendos in conversation. I used them to be more forceful in getting my point across in my dislike of the said individuals. If I offended anyone, than except my apoligies. But please don’t preach, if your not one of those holier than thou’s.[/color:2y8adkk6]
If “shirt lifter” counts as a subtle innuendo nowdays then the game really is up for the English language.
The point is this: the terms you have used are utterly incongruous to the point you were making, namely that you don’t think an awful lot of the likes of Balding, Sherwood et al., and they do not paint you in as good a light as you would ideally prefer.
There are surely better ways and means of conveying that dislike effectively than resorting to demeaning sexual terms, and allowing you to equate “vulgar” with “forceful” unchallenged sets an extraordinarily unwise precedent – you might as well us the f-word every other word as an ersatz language instead, like so many betting shop stool-sitters or residents of other, less enlightened sporting forums.
I’ve not yet used a sweary in getting on for 350 newspaper, radio and e-journalism engagements of various sorts to date – I wouldn’t expect to have lasted this long otherwise. Yet if I describe a certain presenter’s manner as “antisceptic”, a certain horse’s attitude as “poisonous”, another horse’s jumping prowess as “roughly that of a fridge freezer’s”, or a rider’s use of the whip as “akin to being prodded gently with a lolly stick”, I don’t think anyone could be any less sure about my opinion than if I’d called them all “a f***in’ disgrace”.
…Or similar.
…Or worse!
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Subtle is in the eye of the beholder. Imagine when madman marz thinks ‘sod it, I’ll tell people what I really think’.
Yeats – poll probably lost in translation from the old site – sorry.
Graysons – If “shirt lifter” counts as a subtle innuendo nowdays then the game really is up for the English language.
I must admit to having a wee chuckle at that.
If “shirt lifter” counts as a subtle innuendo nowdays then the game really is up for the English language.
The point is this: the terms you have used are utterly incongruous to the point you were making, namely that you don’t think an awful lot of the likes of Balding, Sherwood et al., and they do not paint you in as good a light as you would ideally prefer.
There are surely better ways and means of conveying that dislike effectively than resorting to demeaning sexual terms, and allowing you to equate “vulgar” with “forceful” unchallenged sets an extraordinarily unwise precedent – you might as well us the f-word every other word as an ersatz language instead, like so many betting shop stool-sitters or residents of other, less enlightened sporting forums.
I’ve not yet used a sweary in getting on for 350 newspaper, radio and e-journalism engagements of various sorts to date – I wouldn’t expect to have lasted this long otherwise. Yet if I describe a certain presenter’s manner as “antisceptic”, a certain horse’s attitude as “poisonous”, another horse’s jumping prowess as “roughly that of a fridge freezer’s”, or a rider’s use of the whip as “akin to being prodded gently with a lolly stick”, I don’t think anyone could be any less sure about my opinion than if I’d called them all “a f***in’ disgrace”.
…Or similar.
…Or worse!
gc
Subtle, was just tongue and cheek, Jeremy.
Now if I was to mention Taylor Hawkins & Eddie Izzard in a compromised situation with BananasHaving said that you have a fairly diverse taste in music Jeremy, mostly anything that the late John Peel adhered to, but you criminally neglected the greatest of them all “The Smiths” {Morrissey}, also neglected Peels all time favourites “The Undertones” ??.[/color:32i6skuy]
Subtle, was just tongue and cheek, Jeremy.
Now if I was to mention Taylor Hawkins & Eddie Izzard in a compromised situation with BananasYou missed out snakes. And Anne Widdecombe.
(He’s merely found my Myspace, before anyone starts thinking this is some sort of Freemasons’ palare for anything else…)
you criminally neglected the greatest of them all “The Smiths” {Morrissey}, also neglected Peels all time favourites “The Undertones” ??.[/color:ngt1m12c]
Not criminally neglected, no, and I was only playing “Mars Bars” by the last-named yesterday evening as it turns out; but familiarity can breed contempt, and I’m always on the lookout for new, challenging, interesting tunes rather than raking over the classics ad infinitum. Sick Sick Sick by Queens of the Stone Age and 23 by Blonde Redhead would be my most-played this week. They won’t be next, though.
(NB The smart answer would have been to say The Smiths “say nothing to me about my life”, or “they just haven’t earned it yet, baby”, but if I were that rapier-witted I’d be on the telly instead of that wazzek ………………………………………. [insert name of your least favourite racing personality here. Look! Seamless link back to the topic!!])
Jeremy
(graysonscolumn)Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Graysons – If “shirt lifter” counts as a subtle innuendo nowdays then the game really is up for the English language.
I must admit to having a wee chuckle at that.
Bless you. I spent literally hours hand-crafting that line.
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
My wife is a shirt lifter, when it rains.
And there is thousands of fudge packers in the Cadburys Factory in Bourneville.Matt Chapman for one. He is smug to the point of being obnoxious at times.
Robert Cooper. Don’t dislike him but seems to be in a world of his own. He waffles incoherently at times but on the plus side, he has a sardonic sense of humour.
Clare Balding. She’s ok, but she is ( however much she protests to the contrary) very patronising towards Willie Carson (yes, I know he often gets tongue tied), who has forgotten more about racing than she knows. I read a piece awhile back where it said Sir Peter O’Sullevan didn’t like her school marmish style.
Jimmy Lindley > I know he’s no longer on the beeb. A likeable guy but he used to infuriate me with his "another nice filly who has a chance" comments, even though it hadn’t a hope of getting placed, let alone win. Turns out he didn’t like to offend owners and trainers by dissing their horses.
Luke Harvey. In the beginning, I was embarrassed for him. He seemed well out his depth, but over the years he has grown in confidence and I now believe he is quite a good presenter
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Robert Cooper. Don’t dislike him but seems to be in a world of his own. He waffles incoherently at times but on the plus side, he has a sardonic sense of humour.
Sir Bob is wonderful entertainment, always prepared to go for the sideways look at racing. His attempts at frying eggs in the paddock at Uttoxeter last summer will live long in the memory.
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
I think it would be hard of me to say any of them are annoying. I love watching the racing, whether its on the BBC, Ch4, ATR or RUK and without the presenters the shows wouldn’t happen.
It’s hard to fault some of the Ch4 presenters as they have done it for such a long time, and the same comments can apply to BBC in a sense. I much prefer ATR’s presenters and their coverage to the Racing UK’s efforts and I have to agree witht the above that Sir Bob is wonderful entertainments. Some of his chats with Norma MaCauley were brilliant television. I like Jason Weaver on ATR also, he is becoming very accomplished. The only thing I would say negative against anyone would be the way Matt Chapman is always referring to ‘smut’ lol, it sounds as though the guy hasn’t had a decent night with a woman for a long time lol.
Mike
It’s hard to fault some of the Ch4 presenters as they have done it for such a long time, and the same comments can apply to BBC in a sense.
But familiarity can breed contempt in the eyes of viewers, and longevity can breed laziness in the attitude / approach of presenters. It profits nobody to equate “time served” with “faultlessness” or “trustworthiness”.
I’m reminded of a quote by AA Gill in an acid review of Rolf On Art, in which he opined, “It’s very hard to hate Rolf Harris, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try”. Certainly I’d suggest that both of the broadcasters you listed have one or two racing team personnel that it should be similarly pretty hard to hold in any regard.
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
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