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Yes Moe Trump is financing Russia’s war against Ukraine now through oil exports ….
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Can’t keep going back on history mate it’s the here and now, I think we got it wrong you think starmer and yourself are right it’s called debate and nothing wrong in having two differing views
On a more general point, there is something intrinsically wrong with having a viewpoint that is not based upon fact or reason.
Hypothetically, I could hold the view that Nigel Farage would beat Usain Bolt over 100 metres… clearly preposterous, but it’s only an opinion, right?
Starmer got it wrong , how many British troops have been killed …. Sorry Starmer has got this right , so right Badenoch went from warmongering to talking about fuel duty at the last pmqs , Starmer as PM has to protect the public , he has , job well done
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Again I disagree with starmer getting right but you think he has, that don’t make you right or me right with my views it’s opinion
So when would you want us if ever to step in, how many drones need to fired at UK personnel before people say hi we need to do something here.
Btw on to the nonsense glad has just posted everyone knows Farage beats bolt over 100m
So is your view point not based on fact or reason, or in Glads little world is he always right?
Anyway getting late for this old boy and still gutted spurs got a point,sleep well everyone and remember life is dull if we all think the same
“in Glads little world is he always right?”
You clearly missed the part where I thanked Wilts for correcting me on the status of RAF Akrotiri (although my general point about military bases not normally being regarded as the mother nation’s territory still stands – it just doesn’t apply in this particular case). Unlike some people, I admit when I am wrong.
Why should we join anyway? We’ve been told that Iran has been totally obliterated, ready for surrender and wanting a deal for the last two weeks.
It’s not Iran, strictly speaking, that the US/Israel are fighting.
It’s the Islamic Republic.General consensus amongst political analysts, is that the country known as Iran, has a 90 million population, but only 20m ‘support’ the Islamic Republic.
Hene, why we see opposing groups protesting, today (in London) and over last few weeks, here, in Britain.The Gulf states would rejoice if the Islamic Republic were defeated and replaced. Worth remembering the likes of Saudi A, Egypt, Jordan (and others) have been in dialogue, with Israel, for years now. The Gulf States do NOT like The Islamic Republic, as they and their proxies have been creating instability in the region for years.
The USA and Israel have their motives for the bombing of Tehran and taking out the Islamic Republic leaders. Their agents have obviously identified a real threat, hence, their need for extreme action right now.
Should Britain and its forces be involved?
Well, yes, give the US access to our bases, they’re our allies, as we would if it was a NATO operation.
Should we be part of any attack? No, not necessary.
Defensively in the Middle East? Yes, the UK should be involved defensively, as the likes of Jordan and Bahrain are longstanding allies and we have defensive agreements.Of course, one of the key issues, i think, missed by the media pundits and the like, is China.
If Trump’s administration wants to disadvantage China, military action against Iran compromises China’s reliance on Iranian oil. China accounts for 90% of Iranian oil exports.
90%!!
If America gets to control those outflows they get one over on China and severely compromise a China ally in the Middle East.Gosh, it’s complicated, isnt it?
Meanwhile, tighten the belts, this aint over by a long way, folks.
Trump and Netanyahu are both war criminals. Netanyahu isn’t allowed in the country I believe because of it? Why should we support them? How many countries has Iran invaded throughout history? Trump should have gone down because of the insurrection; instead he was re elected. As for the past, if we don’t learn from history we shall forever make the same mistakes.
Iran’s reliance on the Strait of Hormuz for its exports to the Far East is not total. The Goreh-Jask Pipeline which runs from near the northern end of the Persian Gulf to the south-eastern coast of Iran on the Gulf of Oman can reputedly move up to 1 million barrels per day, but has apparently been operating well below that limit since opening in 2021. It was a strategic project designed to reduce dependence on the Hormuz ‘chokepoint’.
Given that Iran’s daily exports are (pre-war) around 1.5 million barrels per day it would seem that ramping up flow in this pipeline to its maximum of 1 million would to at least some extent maintain required supply to the far east and China in particular, which incidentally has built up its strategic oil reserve to over 1 billion barrels.
So, I’d proffer that China et al to the east have far less to worry about than countries to the west.
Assuming of course that the USA don’t bomb that in addition to their threats to bomb the existing export terminal on Kharg Island.
The Goreh-Jask Oil Pipeline in the Iranian Geopolitical Chessboard
https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/projects/goreh-jask-crude-oil-pipeline/?cf-view
https://www.gem.wiki/Goureh-Jask_Crude_Oil_PipelinePersonally I believe that nwalton makes a valid, and quite easy to understand point.
I don’t want to get involved in this war, but if a British base, has as you say Glad
had one drone that got through there defense systems, this means that more than one
drone was fired at the British base. It’s not a question that parliament, or the armed
forces would have any problem answering. If the presence of a British war ship does
nothing more than discourage any further such like attacks then it serves it’s purpose.
If, god forbid, Iran attack the British Base, which is on British Soil, the ship was sent
to protect soldiers on British soil. hopefully this will prevent further attacks, but if not
(and the last thing we want to do is enter the war fully) then we have the firepower to take
out whatever or wherever the attack is coming from.This whole shebang could have been sorted with the US and Iran talking to comr to a mutual
agreement. If Trump included that if they are proved to have, or attempting to make nuclear
arms, then decisive military strikes would be the consequence. Unfortunately Trump wants to
show they are the biggest (which they are) Military force on the planet. As for Isreal, I
think Netanyahu Want to take back the lands surrounding Isreal and has a hatred of Arab/Muslim
countries and not only is he prepared to kill as many, he already has done. He should be standing
trial in the Hague.
Just discovered these very interesting podcasts on utube by an American historian called Heather Cox Richardson. She says Trump is a fascist and is operating a fascist regime.As I have said before, we should NOT under any circumstances get involved in this illegal and unnecessary war. We should NOT be sending warships anywhere. We should NOT be at Trump’s beck and call.
What we are witnessing is another Vietnam. The USA will bomb the s… out of Iran (as the vulgar Trump puts it), but will eventually lose. Trunp has severely underestimated Iran’s capabilities; the losses the USA are suffering is not being reported.
It won’t be long before the voters in the USA are suffering through high inflation, lack of jobs and basic materials. They will then put pressure of Trump to stop the war, who no doubt will claim victory.
I don’t have any difficulty in agreeing with you Value31, we don’t want to
be involved in this war in any way.Can I ask what you suggest we do when
a British camp, with SAS teams, are targetted and a drone gets through
and causes an explosion. I’m very much anti-war but just to clarify, are
you suggesting that if Iran fire drones onto British soil, which is what
the camp is, and whether soldiers are killed or not, do you suggest we
turn the other cheek, just because this conflict was started by Trump.
What is the answer if the British Camp is targeted by the Iranians, do
you think we have no right to engage against an enemy who’s intention
is to kill civilians and/or British soldiers at the hands of a foreign
agressor?Isn’t it debatable that the drone in Cyprus was from Iran? We have to be careful that another regime doesn’t get us drawn into this conflict by targeting us and making it look like Iran. I’ve always thought that Pearl Harbour was a way of getting America involved in WWII and that the Hamas attack on Israel could have been prevented but Netanyahu needed an excuse to obliterate Gaza. Israel must be the most heavily defenced countryin the world so to ignore the border in that area seems implausible to me.
I don’t believe Iran is targeting civilians. What they are trying to do is to destroy bases that can be used to attack them.
If I were PM, I would make it clear to Iran through diplomatic channels that we, as a country, do NOT support illegal wars such as this one. Trump knows this (as Starner has correctly stated this publicly). I would tell Iran not to attack British bases and confirm our right to defend British citizens, which means defending our bases. As Starmer has said (I support what he said) we will NOT attack Iran, but we will defend ourselves. Therefore, I would not send a warship into the Gulf as this would indicate we are on Trumps side, which we are not.
We have to be wary of believing US propaganda which is seemingly being used to drag us into war. Thankfully Starmer has more sense than Farage (up Trunp’s backside) et al and will play it sensibly. By the way, if we make it clear we are not entering this unconstitutional war, our ships will be able to sail through the straight, as is the case with Indian ships.
We had a sensible Labour government in the past, which saved thousands of lives by not attacking Vietnam. We are lucky to have one now.
Well, yes, give the US access to our bases, they’re our allies
Are they? Feels that way in name only at the moment. Being allies works both ways. Perhaps the USA could have consulted with us and other NATO allies before it launched the attack. It’s no good coming begging days after they told us the war was won and we weren’t needed.
It’s a low bar but Starmer’s continued resistance to US pressure is by far his finest hour as PM.
Agree that we should be there for defensive purposes but strictly that only at this stage.
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