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Henderson and Gordon on today’s “race”:
https://www.racingtv.com/news/henderson-left-with-a-dilemma-as-pentland-hills-walks-over
“Dilemma?”
He’s is the exact same boat as he would have been if the other horse had run and he’d beaten it, surely?
You can get as much experience schooling at home as you can in a match.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I’m confused as to why Henderson is saying that Pentland Hills gets a penalty for today.
The Rules of Racing say the following in section 18 point 39 (link below):
The calculation of any penalty or allowance or the qualification of any horse for any Race shall exclude National Hunt Flat Races, Irish National Hunt Flat Races, French AQPS Races and walk overs.So, on rereading, my interpretation is that Pentland Hills does not lose his novice status and does not get a penalty either! Perhaps someone with a more legalistic mind will be able to tell me where my interpretation is incorrect.
I’ve been watching racing for 40 years and I’ve always assumed that in the case of a “walkover” the course had to be completed.
Not everybody is up to scratch with all the rules.
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysSay a horse fell and sustained a fatal injury – its bad enough when it happens in an actual race, but in the course of a walkover?
Not very likely as they would not be going at proper racing speed – bit like the practice jump they do in France, technically the horse could break down cantering past the post again not very likely but a chance it could happen.
So if we are worried about injuries when it is not an actual race, then what is the point of the horse actually leaving the paddock in the event of a walkover – let them parade in the paddock if people want to have a look at the horse and then at off time just make the announcement over the pa and send the horse back to the stables and move on to the next race prep.
Oskard qualified to run in the 1979 Grand National via a walkover ,how mad is that !?
1st – £8,714.00 2nd – £4,014.00 3rd – £2,006.00 4th – £1,005.00 5th – £350.00 6th – £350.00 7th – £350.00 8th – £350.00
Just under nine large actually.
Tough on the trainer and Pentland Hills as they will have to go into battle against chase hardened horses carrying a penalty and still yet to jump a fence.I for one am delighted that it was Henderson that trained the winner of a walk over
can you imagine the stick he’d have got if it was a two horse race and he pulled one of hisGaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
Tough on the trainer and Pentland Hills as they will have to go into battle against chase hardened horses carrying a penalty and still yet to jump a fence.
Have seen a few walkovers in US point-to-point racing but it’s more common if there is another same-distance race on the card for the horse to get their walkover “win” while racing with the other field. Makes sense to do that in early season PtPs where the aim is to get horses in shape for sanctioned racing. In sanctioned meets the trainer of the last remaining horse would likely scratch as well and find another race that will fill.
“Say a horse fell and sustained a fatal injury – it’s bad enough when it happens in an actual race, but in the course of a walkover?”
What’s their excuse with a flat race?
I just think the rules on walkovers as they stand are correct.
The horse has to show up and show it would have been in a fit state to race by walking over the line – no point in subjecting it to additional risk, however tiny the risk, by asking it to jump anything as it adds no real value to spectators and the downside would be colossal in that one in ten million instance it went wrong.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I still don’t think it’s right to criticise the TV presenter for not knowing the rules. Not everyone in this World is an anorak.
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysI do not think it is unreasonable to expect a presenter to be knowledgeable about the subject on which they are presenting.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I agree with Purwell that the presenter deserves some leniency as this is quite obscure stuff.
As per my post above, the BHA’s own website seems to be contradicting Nicky Henderson’s interpretation of the impact of a walk over!
We shall agree to differ!
Specialist channels charging premiums to watch should have specialists presenting them – they should preferably know more, certainly as much, and never less than the paying audience.
Possibly I am advantaged by having seen a fair few Point walkovers over the years, but this is hardly the first time it’s happened under rules.
Learn your subject if you want to be on TV, Chezza says!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"For what it’s worth i have to agree with Ian. This to me is not an obscure rule but even if you think it is, any presenter worth their salt, if they didn’t know should ask themselves “what happens if there’s a non-runner”. As the decs were published on Friday she had plenty of time to find this out.
sporting sam
“1st – £8,714.00 2nd – £4,014.00 3rd – £2,006.00 4th – £1,005.00 5th – £350.00 6th – £350.00 7th – £350.00 8th – £350.00
Just under nine large actually.
Tough on the trainer and Pentland Hills as they will have to go into battle against chase hardened horses carrying a penalty and still yet to jump a fence.”I believe that the connections of the horse receive all the prize money in the event of a walk over. Approx 17 grand in this case. Not bad for doing virtually nothing despite the lack of gaining experience over fences. If I owned a horse the more 17 grand walk overs I could get the better.
If Purwell with over 40 years of experience thought horses had to complete the course, why would 99.99% of outsiders think any different?
Don’t think ExRubyLight’s suggestion is as daft as some people appear to think. However, it has never happened in our lifetimes and obviously never will now.
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