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  • #2652
    Longchamp Lad
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    Visindar’s win at Longchamp this afternoon was impressive. Under a typical Soumillon ride he cruised home without getting out of second gear. Indeed Soumillon was looking around at the opposition, knowing he had them all beaten just under 2f out. As a result he’s now joint favourite for the Epsom Derby.

    But let’s not get carried away. The race he won was a Conditions event with no real opposition. In fact the best of the rest was probably Thomamix who acted as pacemaker. Thomamix set off quickly to stretch to a 10 length lead coming down the hill. Normally such a performance would ensure last place for a tiring pacemaker, with "eased final furlong"  likely in race comments. Yet here Thomamix still managed to finish 3rd. Interestingly the fillies’ version of this race run an hour later was less than 2 seconds slower and seemed to be run at a slow pace, with most finishing in a heap.

    Watching Soumillon’s trademark flick of the wrist as he crossed the line I was reminded of his ride on Shamdala in the Vermeille last September. Tremendous run where again top gear was never engaged. But come the Arc three weeks later it was a 6th place behind Hurricane Run.

    It will be intersting to see where Fabre runs him again. Maybe the Hocquart in early May? Won last year by something called Hurricane Run.<br>

    #71442
    LetsGetRacing
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    The filly you’re referring to Longchamp Lad is Shawanda, not Shamdala, and to be fair she did dislocate her pelvis in the Arc (slipping on the bend). If memory serves, she actually travelled supremely well and wasn’t given a hard time when her chance had gone.

    Visindar has been incredibly impressive in his two races to date and look’s to be very nicely put together. Thomamix was well beaten today (eight lengths or so I believe) and the second placed Racinger did run well in Listed company behind the unbeaten Gentlewave.

    With the Derby again looking less than vintage, he could well be good enough.

    #71443
    Aidan
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    I was really impressed. The fact Fabre is aiming him a the Epsom Derby speaks volumes.

    #71445
    Aidan
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    Well when the jockeys compares him favourably with Hurricane Run and Dalakhani I think it serves plenty of notice….as a book maker how big would you go about the Fabre colt???

    #71446
    Venusian
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    Good horse though he appears to be, Visindar is likely to prove best suited by 9 to 10 furlongs, and is most unlikely to stay the Derby trip.

    There’s an awful lot of American 6f to 8f speed in the bottom half of his pedigree, and it doesn’t shout 12 furolongs to me.

    #71447
    The Wizard
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    The race at least proves that Visindar has trained on from two to three, something that has to be taken on trust with other horses at the head of the ante-post markets e.g. George Washington & Horatio Nelson.

    Like to trust what I see with my own eyes, and haven’t seen the race yet, so can’t really say much more than that.

    (Edited by The Wizard at 6:54 pm on April 17, 2006)

    #71448
    LetsGetRacing
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    The best horses Sinndar has sired – namely Shawanda, Pictavia, Gale Force and Kerashan – have proved fully effective at up to twelve furlongs, his ‘speedier’ progeny having come from quicker mares.

    Visindar is a half-brother to Visorhill (close 5th in a 1m 4f Grade 2 Handicap at Sha Tin, and a staying on 2nd over a soft 1m 2f in France), Visorama (Group 1 placed over 1m 4f and unlucky not to have gone closer) and Visionnaire (placed in the Italian Oaks and a strong finishing 4th in a Group 3 event over 1m 2f at Deauville).

    Easy ground is of obvious benefit to this horse, but I don’t think there’s anything to say he won’t see out the Derby trip.

    (Edited by LetsGetRacing at 7:28 pm on April 17, 2006)

    #71449
    empty wallet
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    Overeaction as the norm when there’s an easy winner, beat feck all

    <br>Max respect for Fabre, and it’s interesting the Derby is being bandied about as a target, but the man has a love hate relationship with the place and if he thinks it’s a very good one, i wouldn’t be surprised to see it take a wide birth of said dodgy track.

    I didn’t really watch all the race properly, but it looked a slender colt and that would worry me as to it handling the quirkiness that is Epsom<br>

    (Edited by empty wallet at 8:12 pm on April 17, 2006)

    #71450
    Longchamp Lad
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    So it looks like Visindar will go for the Group 2 Greffuhle on 15 May, rather than the Hocquart. The Greffuhle is at St-Cloud, a left track which suggests Fabre is serious about Visinadar’s Derby hopes. BUT, St-Cloud is no Epsom.Intriguing.

    #71451
    Stormwatch
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    I think that Mr Fabre looks to have the ‘real deal’ here.

    However, i am told that Visindar ‘kept changing his legs’ in the race today and i would think that this would not bode too well for the undulations of Epsom.

    Will he actually go ?

    #71452
    IRSHEYEZ
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    Well if its true about him changing his legs today then Epsom wud def not be the course for him. He will need a lot more expeirence to be able to come down the hill and round tattenham corner with being to unbalanced.

    #71453
    Pegwell Bay
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    I think the decision to go to Epsom probably has a lot more to do with the owner rather than the trainer.

    It certainly wouldn’t do Aga Khan Studs any harm were Sinndar’s son to go on and win the Epsom Derby.

    ;)

    #71454
    sberry
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    scuse me for speaking oout of turn but ive seen bugger all else that stands out yet – open or what ?

    #71455
    sberry
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    and by the way, aidan and wizard, yes, whats the rest done ?

    #71456
    griff11
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    Just one point I would make from your references LetsGetRacing is that they are all placed and no winning.

    A lot of non stayers have tried the Derby only to run well but be placed. Time will tell I suppose.

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