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  • #1449803
    wasps41
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    I’m all over Pinaturbo guys, 15/8 yes but not sure I would be lumping on at the 11/8 on offer now

    #1449807
    potato
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    POSITIVE 14/1
    MYSTERY POWER 8/1

    Hannon has won this race 4 times in the last 10 years. He has twice ran a horse with a penalty in this race and they won both times (king torus and Olympic glory) so it can be viewed as a positive that its allowed to take its chance under a penalty.
    Has had just 2 runs and is already a group 2 winner with the promise of more to come.
    De Soussa takes over and rides the horse for the first time.
    No Nay Never has already produced group winning 2yos at goodwood, half brother King of Yulong won the Richmond stakes here last year.
    Another half brother of MYSTERY POWER just won the July Cup group 1 (Ten SOVERIGNS.)

    Mystery Power is likely to be capable of defying a penalty and stepping up to group 1 level in the future. He holds an entry for the National Stakes group 1 at the Curragh in September.

    Really looking forward to seeing how this one goes here.

    POSITIVE has only had one start but was very impressive when handling the undulations of Salisbury to win going away despite being slow to break and running green.
    Dutch Art has a good record with its offspring at goodwood over 7f and POSITIVE is likely to show massive improvement today which will make him a big player here.

    I think both of these horses have a much stronger chance than the prices suggest today.

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    Avatar photojackh1092
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    Another half brother of MYSTERY POWER just won the July Cup group 1 (Ten SOVERIGNS.)

    Half brother?

    Twitter: Jackh1092
    Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!

    #1449826
    potato
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    I desperately want to answer your question Jack though unfortunately I’m not sure what the question actually is.

    #1449827
    Avatar photoKevMc
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    Potato’s breeding knowledge is about as good as Elegant Escape :whistle:

    #1449828
    potato
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    If they share the same father then they are half brothers.

    Every walk of life and creature that is fact. Industry Breeding toffs are in fact the ones whom have it wrong. They do not dictate to me the facts of life. :heart:

    #1449832
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    Shame there is only seven runners as Platinum Star is a huge price at 14/1 but bet reduced due to the lack of runners!!

    #1449843
    potato
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    The short answer to your question is that both are half siblings. If you and someone else share a dad but not a mom, then you are half-siblings. And if the two of you share a mom but not a dad, same thing.

    What makes two children full-siblings or half-siblings all boils down to how much genetic information, or DNA, they share. Each of us gets half our DNA from our mom and half from our dad.

    Full siblings have the same mom and the same dad. So these siblings are getting all of their genetic information from the same two people.

    Half siblings only share DNA from one parent. The genetic information from the other parent is different.

    Since both parents give us an equal amount of our DNA, it doesn’t matter if two kids share mom’s or dad’s genetic information. Either way, it’s half.*

    Some people may get confused about this stuff because of horse breeding. In the horse breeding industry, the term “half-brother” or “half-sister” only describes horses with the same dam (mom) but different sires (dads). Those horses with the same sire (dad) but different dams (mom) are not called half-siblings. Instead horse breeders simply say that they are “by the same sire” with no sibling relationship implied.

    Even though this is how they refer to these horses, they are half siblings whether they share the same dam or sire. Just like with people.

    People (and horses and every other living thing) use DNA as their basic unit of genetic information. It contains all of the instructions for making us. And since everyone looks a little different, we know that everyone has a unique set of DNA.

    Each parent passes half their DNA to each of their children. So each egg has half of mom’s DNA and each sperm has half of dad’s DNA. When the egg and sperm come together, the half from mom and the half from dad make a whole baby.

    So for full siblings, the egg and the sperm came from the same two people to make each of the siblings. That is why they are called full siblings, because they got all of their DNA from the same original pool of mom and dad’s DNA.

    For half-siblings, they only share one parent, whether it is their mom or their dad. So two siblings with the same mom have different halves from their dads and two siblings with the same dad have different halves from their moms. But either way, they are half-siblings.

    *Technically speaking, half-siblings with the same mom will share a bit more genetic information than half-siblings with the same dad. This is because we get all of the DNA in our mitochondria (mtDNA), or our cell’s energy houses, from our mom and none from our dad. This is because only eggs provide the mitochondria for the embryo (the sperm doesn’t give any to the embryo). So half-siblings with the same mom have the same mtDNA, but half-siblings with the same dad have different mtDNA, because they each got it from their moms. This extra mtDNA doesn’t add up to much of a difference though because it makes up less than 0.01% of our total DNA.

    #1449846
    potato
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    Who can forget what happened the last time back in 2013 that the Hannon family ran a horse in the vintage stakes at goodwood and the national stakes at curragh? :yes:

    #1449847
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    It’s hard to see past Pinatubo, and although 6/4 isn’t normally my kind
    of bet I still think it’s worth a wager. I also agree with Potato that Positive
    has a shout here. Completely unexposed after one run, and the way he picked up and ran
    away rom them at Salisbury was impressive. I’ve put a saver on at 12s.

    #1449852
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Why can’t you just wish someone good luck with their chosen horse instead of trying to over analyse everything anyone says. :bye:

    What the….
    I have no problem with anyone having another opinion as long as that opinion doesn’t give a false impression of what has actually happened (ie the facts are not what that someone has portrayed them as). It’s not over analysis, just simple maths. Sorry you feel this way, but I love horses and you’re dissing a horse that doesn’t deserve it.

    I just want all TRFers to have a good chance of making a profit, including you Jac; is that wrong?

    Good luck. :bye:

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    #1449860
    Mike007
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    I got a feeling the favourite might get turned over. Dunno what with though. Maybe the Hannon horse. Or the Aiden horse might improve.

    #1449862
    Mike007
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    Haha never in doubt. Precocious.

    #1449863
    Avatar photohein bollow
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    The volcano exploded once again :yahoo:
    Despite lots of trash talk going on here, I never had the slightest doubt :good:

    #1449864
    FinalFurlong91
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    Super impressive

    That horse has a serious turn of foot

    Put the race to bed in 3 strides and went whoosh

    Hard to see him getting beaten as a 2yo

    It’s just whether as a small horse the others catch up to him by the time the guineas comes round

    #1449865
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    Wow!
    What a performance.
    They must have pinned a turbo on to Pinatubo. :rose:

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    #1449866
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    9/4 for the Guineas.

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