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- December 3, 2022 at 15:16 #1625576
Well done winners. Backed him regularly last year, but with King talking of maybe moving him up in trip at the start of the season I wondered about the trainer’s confidence in him over 2 miles.
I suspect the bone damage stuff over Shishkin hasn’t played a huge part in his performance today or in March. The mighty Clarence House battle might well have bottomed him.
December 3, 2022 at 15:21 #1625577Regarding Shishkin, I’ve got the sneakng suspicion that his memorable clash with Energumene took something out of him. A brilliant but very hard race. If you go back to when Grundy defeated Bustino, the former was never the same horse again. I pretty much suspect that Shishkin is descending a similar path.
December 3, 2022 at 15:24 #1625578Wilts I feel the Benson pain , I had him e.w but thought he was going on to win
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December 3, 2022 at 15:26 #1625579Up in distance ….. Err haven’t we been here before , even if he stays 2m 5 are they going to beat Allaho
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December 3, 2022 at 15:29 #1625580“Wilts I feel the Benson pain , I had him e.w but thought he was going on to win”
The bet was down anyways, with Edwardstone winning.
December 3, 2022 at 15:52 #1625583Shishkin met quite a lot fences wrong. He jumped the first three in the back straight very good, but he looked a bit slow over the water and was far from fluent over the first two of the three railway fences, then he jumped badly to his left over the Pond and could only hold of GDM for third. Nico also had to push him along at different stages. He lacked class and enthusiasm, but I think he clearly has an issue.
December 3, 2022 at 16:59 #1625598Agree that the Ascot race with Energumene has taken something from Shishkin.
He was flat out from a long way back and really had to sprout wings to win. A good idea to step up in trip but it will be interesting to see what he finds when push comes to shove.Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
December 3, 2022 at 18:57 #1625634Shiskin looks like he is looking after himself which sounds like he has something bothering him. Edwardstone was electric and as he’s in my ten to follow im over the moon. Will still need to improve to match energumane who I think still has loads more to offer.
December 3, 2022 at 20:01 #1625660Agree something more to trip with Shiskin
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December 3, 2022 at 21:10 #1625673Yes, but 2m4f or 2m5f would be his limit. No way, he’ll get the GC trip. He won’t settle, he’ll have too much company around him and things might be going too fast in such a huge field. Will be too early out of his comfort zone.
The Ryanair is worth a try….
December 3, 2022 at 22:10 #1625684WD winners
Happy to see Edwardstone win for Alan King after such a brilliant campaign last year. Surely a real contender for the Champion Chase now.
Shishkin stepping up in trip is a logical thing to do, but I doubt he will ever deliver 170+ performances again. You cannot easily trash Edwardstone and Greaneteen over 2 miles and a year later be done for speed.
December 4, 2022 at 01:29 #1625713My only point would be that it was his first race since Cheltenham and that was off an injury enforced layoff so he was entitled to need the run so it seems a little knee jerky to immediately say it was the trip (he was being niggled at times yes but to say he was flat out seems overly simplistic), they might very well be right but I would at least give him one more try at the trip beforehand (Desert Orchid Chase at Kempton over Christmas being the obvious choice).
Frankly, I really don’t see him as a Gold Cup horse (although his siblings did win over 3m in Hunter Chases & PTP’s) but if they are looking at going down the 2m4f route well Allaho looms rather large in that division and I think he would be harder to beat than those he would face in the QMCC all things being equal.
December 4, 2022 at 01:41 #1625715Well done those with the 5’s, great spot
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