- This topic has 40 replies, 17 voices, and was last updated 14 years, 9 months ago by
.
-
Posts
-
Unfortunately,
Over the years we have lost quite a few posters – female and male – because some of the points highlighted in "Moehat’s" post.
Perhaps, more members could air their views on this issue?
Criticism and disagreement is the lifeblood of lively debate with the proviso it does not degenerate into personal abuse of the poster but is aimed four-square at the words written e.g ‘I don’t agree with any of that’ rather than ‘you are an idiot’
Personally I’m not one for handling anonymous internet correspondents with kid gloves, but nor am I one for lunging with the steel toe-capped boot from behind said cloak of anonymity. Though I do plead guilty to the occasional throwing of a velvet slipper
In essence maintain politeness in adversity and anger
And be quick to offer thanks when it’s due: that is just common courtesy
****, feckers, feck, knut, cnut and all varieties thereof…
I’m all too prone to using ‘clever dick’ altered anglo-saxon profanities so your words are taken on board milady. There’s really no need for them
Going back to the ‘annoyances’: Francombe, Hennessey and the myriad variations on Kieren get on my ti…sorry…nerves
Perhaps UM posted those comments on the wrong forum? I think it’s betfair where those words are commonplace.
….how often do I read ”this place is more like the Betfair forum every day”…?
fairly often I would say, of late, although I’ver never said that to my knowledge myself, but it seems others might think it so.
hi Pete,
The terms I mentioned I don’t think are commonplace, fortunately, but I have noted them appear here and there over the past year.I don’t read every thread or post, far from it, so when I do see something like that or similar, yeah it hurts a little to be fair.
Seeing ‘wench’ on a post above, whilst probably said with some tongue in cheek was sort of the last straw and this is the ‘soapbox‘ after all.I wouldn’t have mentioned this anywhere else and I’m certainly no angel, an infrequent member who posts rarely other than in the Lounge these days, and I prefer an open forum with little in the way of ‘policing’ so to speak, and besides, the forum itself is nothing to do with me….the points I was trying to make I think was that it would be nice if some posters thought a little more about who might be reading it, that’s all.
CR,
I don’t know what those comments you refer to are, sorry.Drone,
thank you for the considerationMargaret, I reserve the right to continue swearing like a sailor, as and when the need arises.
I’m afraid that I was a feral child, and would be unable to construct sentences properly, if profanities were unavailable to me…….bum, ar*se, knockers.
I have to say I do agree with UM – the sexist descriptions she refers to invariably turn up whenever a discussion includes references to female presenters / jockeys / singers / actresses etc. etc.
It is tiresome and juvenile and I wonder how posters would feel if the same epithets were used to describe their partners / sisters / girlfriends?
Fair enough UM. I guess all of us notice different things more keenly than some others. I was interested because as I say perhaps I may have become insensitive to it. It wasn’t my intention for you to feel you have to defend or justify your comment. I was just a little surprised as I do think this place is pretty civilised. That said I’m probably more guilt for lowering the tone than most.
In fact there’s no probably about it
However, while I have no problem with others doing it (GH for example) I’ve decided that I’m no longer going to swear on here
Going back to Himself’s original post. What surprises me is not how poorly people write on fora such as TRF, but how well.
Even the finest scribes make mistakes and life is much too short to go over everything one contributes to a messageboard with a fine toothcomb.
I’d like to see a few more female posters though. They are all swapping photos at Facebook, it appears.
I agree in that Facebook and similar have drawn women away I think, it’s a more chatty place, and many of us I think just like to chat. Perhaps with the fees being introduced there, they might drift back
…
Margaret, I reserve the right to continue swearing like a sailor, as and when the need arises.
I’m afraid that I was a feral child, and would be unable to construct sentences properly, if profanities were unavailable to me…….bum, ar*se, knockers.
seeing as it’s you how can anyone object?
the old joke thread used to be on here was one of the best I’ve read and it didn’t leave much to be desired…In the right place at the right time….thing is ‘hopper, you never sound the misogynist and it would be hugely insulting to you and the majority of other gentlemen on here to insinuate that they are, and I’d like to make it absolutely clear that I’m not having a dig at anyone in particular, but just occasionally, as Paul has said, there is at times a ‘cheapening of women’ feel that crops up in places and if it happens to catch my eye, yeah I take it to heart……sorry….perhaps I shouldn’t look, any more
Pete, don’t worry about it, nothing worse on forums that having to ‘tread on hot coals’…
..try swearing in FrenchEcky thump – as the poster who used "wench" earlier, I apologise UM for any offence – it wasn’t intended. I never thought "wench" was that bad but, you live and learn. I’ll try and refrain from using it in future.
Mrs Mare, I’ve got a junk folder full of invitations for Facebook but I steadfastly refuse to enrol. Twitter too.
Aside from wanting to avoid bailiffs, ex-girlfriends (and ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriends), stalkers, schoolfriends I didn’t get on with in the the first place and large numbers of my previous work colleagues, as far as I’m concerned, Facebook is one great big narcissists tea party.
So enamoured of his own beauty was Narcissus, he left a trail of dead and rejected suitors around him wherever he went. When the demi-goddess Echo stalked the handsome Narcissus as he gazed at himself in the silvered pool, she heard him sigh as he fell in love once more with his own reflection. Forlorn, she pined for unrequited love. "Alas! Alas!" Over time, her corporeal form dissipated into the ether for an infinity of sorrow.
Narcissus wouldn’t get away with this type of self-regard on a message board because some evil cynic will be in his curly haired mush faster than a easterly Baltic wind in December. That’s the good thing about boards.
Let’s face it, Mrs Mare, thirty years ago, you could be referred to a psychiatrist for talking about yourself excessively – or at least an elder brother or sister would give you a nasty pinch – but here we are now, in a world where a rapid descent into a self-regarding, euphoric narcissism is not only tolerated, but venerated!
I’d ban the place – glad they’re charging – and get everyone back on message boards where the
message
is (usually), the medium and the communal, free access aspect is its own rozzer.
You know why? I can see a fake just by the way he writes!
I just had a eureka moment. Does anyone else beleive it takes one to know one
(sorry)
Himself will be cringeing at your spelling mistake! Believe me when i say i am nothing more than a Prophet who profits!
hi Max,
I couldn’t agree more with all what you’ve said there, and well written as ever.
I don’t write on Facebook either, I shall make that clear, but I think it appeals to a lot of women especially those who like to share their lives with close friends and family.
Oddly you might think, my husband uses it, more to keep in touch with family, sharing photos and everyday talk, like having a 6 way phone conversation….
kept within the family I think it’s a good idea but he has been bombarded with various ‘offers’ and photos to make any man a nervous wreck I should think, sometimes quite astonishingly beautiful women in the skimpiest of bikinis…and whilst this may be spam or trickery, some of it seems genuine and for the life of me can’t fathom why any woman would want to throw herself about in such a manner.On the other hand I quite like these so called Facebook campaigns where large numbers of people get together like a pressure group. I find that quite a fascinating turn of events but I do accept the narcissistic angle to which you refer, it is quite nauseating.
Twitter is another that’s lost on me, however I do find it mildly voyeuristic and a little intriguing to see who’s following who or what.
good to talk to you again, as always
Ecky thump – as the poster who used "wench" earlier, I apologise UM for any offence – it wasn’t intended. I never thought "wench" was that bad but, you live and learn. I’ll try and refrain from using it in future.
hi Insomniac,
I appreciate your apology and thank you although I know what you said was mild, so I do want to assure you and anyone else who thinks I’m on some kind of a crusade here, on this ‘Soapbox’ that Himself kindly started off for us, with the general theme being, to have a dig at how people write on forums, this one in particular.So I thought I would step up and make my feelings known about one or two things….at the risk of being regarded a complete ogre, have cabbages thrown and generally jeered or abused – well that’s fine, it’s a soapbox and nothing more than that.
In other words – no one has to take any notice.Ultimately it’s up to the forum admin to decide what is or not acceptable to them isn’t that right?
However, some on this thread have been very kind and polite in their responses, including yourself, and believe me I really appreciate that.
Also, I have to accept that this is a male dominated sports forum, with much masculine type banter
, some of it can be quite amusing, so we have to give some leeway and if we’re not happy tuning in, then we must move on but I think that would be a shame more especially in those who are much more able than I am, and I don’t claim to speak for all women, plenty couldn’t give a toss about it I expect.
Also, if I had been the type of person to start a separate thread on the issues I’ve raised Insomniac, my husband would have disowned me 20 years ago.
time for a cuppa?
You know why? I can see a fake just by the way he writes!
I just had a eureka moment. Does anyone else beleive it takes one to know one
(sorry)
Himself will be cringeing at your spelling mistake! Believe me when i say i am nothing more than a Prophet who profits!
Nah TAPK, just bemused, as I am with your ( deliberate ? ) spelling mistake ?
Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning
"Himself":jybdmh4z wrote:
Himself will be cringeing at your spelling mistake! Believe me when i say i am nothing more than a Prophet who profits!
Nah TAPK, just bemused, as I am with your ( deliberate ? ) spelling mistake ?
Does it rhyme with Whingeing?
Looks like the e’s have it.
Himself wrong
TAPK right I’ve had a sudden mental block on one of my sentences –
someone is ‘cringeing and whingeing’
or is it ‘cringing and whinging/
Help!
Casey
Re: Cringeing or cringing? Dee at 21:02 on 04 June 2007
Casey, I think – but I’m not 100% sure – that it’s cringing and whingeing.
Although, to be honest, I don’t think I would use those two words together like that.
Dee
Re: Cringeing or cringing? Account Closed at 21:10 on 04 June 2007
Ah thanks for that, Dee. Should have known that both of my options would be wrong!
I am using them together for effect, sound wise and for the rhythm of the sentence and for a slightly humorous tone.
Blimey, i’ve just stood my ground on something with Dee – am i finally finding some writerly confidence?
Thanks again.
Casey
Re: Cringeing or cringing? NMott at 21:13 on 04 June 2007
My on-line dictionary says cringing and whinging – no e
Re: Cringeing or cringing? Luisa at 21:22 on 04 June 2007
UK English tends to use ‘e’s – cringeing and whingeing – US English doesn’t (although they don’t say ‘whingeing’… but still).
Neither is incorrect, but I’d go for ‘e’s – I think it makes them easier to read.
<Added>
In fact, I’ll state that more strongly. I’d definitely use ‘e’s. To omit them suggests a /g/ as in ‘gone’ rather than a /dz/ as in ‘gin’ in typical UK spelling. (Think of the spelling of ‘winging’.)
Re: Cringeing or cringing? Account Closed at 21:23 on 04 June 2007
Hmm, i googled cringing and whingeing and they both came up – don’t tell me, this is going to be one of those questions with no firm answer.
thanks Naomi.
Re: Cringeing or cringing? Dee at 21:24 on 04 June 2007
Casey, LOL!!!
Naomi, I think whinging/whingeing could go either way, although without the e the g looks like it’s hard, as in winging.
Dee
Re: Cringeing or cringing? Luisa at 21:28 on 04 June 2007
Casey, I cross-posted my addition with Dee! I do think you should use an ‘e’…
Re: Cringeing or cringing? Dee at 21:31 on 04 June 2007
Hey, Luisa, great minds!
Re: Cringeing or cringing? Account Closed at 21:32 on 04 June 2007
Luisa, for which, cringing or whinging??
Dee, that’s what i thought, whinging reminded me of winging,ie hard sounding.
Casey
<Added>
Gawd, sorry Luisa, missed your first post!
Re: Cringeing or cringing? Luisa at 21:33 on 04 June 2007
Both!
Definitely both.
<Added>
It’s a well-known US/UK difference. Honestly – try Googling "British v American Spelling" + "cringeing".
Bingeing is the same.
Definitely use the ‘e’s if you want to use UK spelling.
Re: Cringeing or cringing? Account Closed at 21:34 on 04 June 2007
Thanks, Luisa
Re: Cringeing or cringing? Account Closed at 21:37 on 04 June 2007
uncanny – i was just thinking of the word bingeing, Luisa!
Okay, i’m convinced, off to add my ‘e’ s
Actually, Mrs Mare, I think you’re probably right.
Not being a big fan of Facebook, which is like saying Popeye can take or leave spinach, I neglect the good things about it before you eloquently reminded me.
Through a female Facebook user, I was put in touch with my oldest childhood friend and we’ve had some great times since. The family thing you mention is a positive, as are the campaigns: (I do wish the anarchists would have chosen a better song than that RATM rap anthem to take on the Cowell Hegemony though. There are plenty, even in that genre.)
Now there’s something about message boards. People slag them, and you can definitely take a board all too seriously, but you can’t beat a good one for a discussion. Anonymity – which has been criticised here of late – is absolutely essential to me to remove the personality and the vested interests from the discussion so that the issue itself is paramount. Of course, with anonymity comes responsibility and thats where it all generally falls down.
Yet small mercies are never far away. Neither Facebook nor message boards are Racing Post/Local Evening Paper Readers Comments. For which we are all truly thankful.
Lovely to natter to you as usual, Mrs Mare.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.