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- December 11, 2011 at 14:31 #382130
Super performance from Rubi Light. He traveled far better than anything else in the race and won snug enough in the finish.
Joncol ran a good race, although I was a bit disappointed Paul Carberry didn’t try make more use of him.
Kempes jumped like he couldn’t see the fences and who knows where he’ll go now.
EDIT: Just heard on ATR that Kempes had to be destroyed after his fall
RIPDecember 11, 2011 at 14:37 #382132Joncol will be better off back at 3 miles.
Where’s the next 3 mile grade 1 chase on a right-handed course that is likely to be on soft ground?
Sad about Kempes, RIP big fella.
Value Is EverythingDecember 11, 2011 at 14:59 #382137Hard to know where to go with Joncol. He’ll likely find a couple too good in the Lexus/Hennessy, and there’s a chance the ground will have gone against him by Punchestown. They’ve always seemed keen on going to Cheltenham at some stage with him, but I can’t see him being good enough to win the Gold Cup or the Ryanair. There’s nothing for him at Fairyhouse at Easter either.
December 11, 2011 at 15:17 #382141Well done Rubi Light backers – a fine performance from a very promising young horse. If it came up soft at Cheltenham he’d have a great chance in the Ryanair.
16 for Gold Cup awful value as 21f furthest he’s been and was tiring today, understandably in that ground plus trainer said he’s been a sick horse for a while.
He’s a big fella who’s one stride means one and a half for most opponents: let’s hope he stays sound.
We lost Kempes, unfortunately, commiserations to connections.
December 11, 2011 at 16:03 #382153
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Agreed GD,
I’ve just backed Rubi Light for the Ryanair (12/1 VC).
Take it that will be his Festival target?

Quoted for both Champion and Gold Cup too.
Always seemed to have more pace than any of his rivals today. Has an action that (to me) suggests should be more at home on good/good-soft. Improved greatly when able to run on it at Cheltenham.
Dream on, Ginger!
The horse needs 3m, and is unlikely to get his ground at Cheltenham anyway.December 11, 2011 at 20:11 #382199What do you call "his ground" Reet? At the time of Rubi Light’s 3rd in the Ryanair it was his best ever performance by some way, on pretty fast ground. What of the run today makes you think he needs 3 miles? Always going best. It wasn’t as if he only just got there was it? Nothing else could live with him from some way out. Too much speed for them. Not saying he won’t stay 3 miles, but certainly doesn’t "need 3m".
Value Is EverythingDecember 11, 2011 at 20:20 #382200Rubi Light was impressive today. Joncol wouldn’t have beat him but was surprised that Paul Carberry didn’t try to run nearer the pace (although it looked as if Joncol hit a flatspot just before the forth/third last when Rubi Light took a few lengths out of him).
Perhaps Leopardstown is Joncol’s main target and today was to see where they stood.
December 11, 2011 at 20:33 #382202
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Simply, Ginger:
The horse had "too much speed for them" on today’s heavy going, on faster ground in the Ryanair he didn’t have enough.Goes for the 3m Lexus next, with a view to the Gold Cup – probably his best chance, given normal festival terrain; though his trainer describes heavy groound as the horse’s "ideal".
Not all the answers are in Timeform, you know.
December 11, 2011 at 21:08 #382214Horse is soo soo good. Still only 6.
Should be going for the Ryanair, trainer making a mess of him going for the Lexus. He is still 6 years old Robbie Hennesey not 10. Where is the rush let him grow up.
I feel for the future of this horse under the care of such a man. He can train and the jury is out if he is a good one but please Robbie dont make a bad mistake on taking on the Unbeatable Quito De La Roque over 3 miles at a stiff track on deep ground with a horse as good as this.
Wait your turn…;
December 11, 2011 at 21:22 #382217Simply, Ginger:
The horse had "too much speed for them" on today’s heavy going, on faster ground in the Ryanair he didn’t have enough.Goes for the 3m Lexus next, with a view to the Gold Cup – probably his best chance, given normal festival terrain; though his trainer describes heavy groound as the horse’s "ideal".
Not all the answers are in Timeform, you know.
How many more times Reet…
As the 16/1 SP in the Ryanair suggests. Rubi Light’s 3 lengths third to Alberta’s Run was (at the time) his BEST performance by a long way. I know it is hard for you to understand Reet, any placed effort in a top class race being better form than a win in an inferior race, but it is (at least in this case). ie Rubi Light IMPROVED when able to run on good ground. That’s nothing to do with what Timeform say, that’s just what happened. Proved today effective on very soft ground too. However, there is still a chance of further improvement on less testing ground. Still only six, so could also improve with experience and aAs I said, only 3 lengths off winning it last year. I don’t care what trainers say about going requirements, it’s what happens on the track that matters. In fact, I’d rather they disagree with me, as I’ll get a better price. Of course there’s a chance Rubi Light will run in the Gold Cup, but at 12/1 in my opinion odds make it worth the risk.
Those who took note of Jonjo’s confidence in, and AP riding Sunnyhillboy – missed Quantitativeeasing. You say about Timeform Reet, you should know trainers don’t know everything.
Value Is EverythingDecember 11, 2011 at 21:56 #382225
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Jesus H Christ.

Ginger
The only thing I fail to understand is your pig-headed obduracy, viz:27Dec09 Limerick ( 19 Hy ,RPR138 )
He´s a lovely big horse who´s going to make a fine chaser. I just thought the heavy ground and the track would suit him today. – Robbie Hennessy, trainer
19Feb11 Gowran park ( 20 Hy ,RPR158 )
The ground was ideal for him and he just galloped away through it. Jumping is his game and he must be one of the best jumpers in Ireland. The Ryanair is the target, but the deeper the ground the better for him.
17Mar11 Cheltenham ( 21 Gd ,RPR166 )
Andrew Lynch said if the ground had been softer her would have won. He could be something a bit special.-Robbie Hennessy, trainer.
Today Punchestown (20f Hvy RPR 167)
He was a sick horse but has been working brilliantly the last two weeks. Obviously he loved the ground.
Quite clearly, the horse is improving hand over fist so unsurprising that he showed further improvement in the RyanAir, given that was his stiffest test to date in terms of pace, track, and distance.
Now, you don’t have to accept my word, or the trainer’s, just carry on, p*ss your money against the wall in a race he’s highly unlikely to go for. As long as you think you know best, I’m sure you’ll be happy.Now, go argue with yourself in a mirror.
December 12, 2011 at 00:09 #382239
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The race was ruined for me by the news of Kempes. He was a horse I liked.
I always thought he should’ve stayed over hurdles. Only had a few runs, with his only losses being in the Supreme Novices Hurdle where he made a mistake and at the Punchestown Festival when he was second to Hurricane Fly, finishing in front of Riverside Theatre and Go Native?
That pace (with the stamina) was the only thing that got him from the rear to win the Irish Hennessy in my opinion. I think he would’ve made a decent staying hurdler.
Rest in peace.
December 12, 2011 at 00:39 #382244Jesus H Christ.

Ginger
The only thing I fail to understand is your pig-headed obduracy, viz:27Dec09 Limerick ( 19 Hy ,RPR138 )
He´s a lovely big horse who´s going to make a fine chaser. I just thought the heavy ground and the track would suit him today. – Robbie Hennessy, trainer
19Feb11 Gowran park ( 20 Hy ,RPR158 )
The ground was ideal for him and he just galloped away through it. Jumping is his game and he must be one of the best jumpers in Ireland. The Ryanair is the target, but the deeper the ground the better for him.
17Mar11 Cheltenham ( 21 Gd ,RPR166 )
Andrew Lynch said if the ground had been softer her would have won. He could be something a bit special.-Robbie Hennessy, trainer.
Today Punchestown (20f Hvy RPR 167)
He was a sick horse but has been working brilliantly the last two weeks. Obviously he loved the ground.
Quite clearly, the horse is improving hand over fist so unsurprising that he showed further improvement in the RyanAir, given that was his stiffest test to date in terms of pace, track, and distance.
Now, you don’t have to accept my word, or the trainer’s, just carry on, p*ss your money against the wall in a race he’s highly unlikely to go for. As long as you think you know best, I’m sure you’ll be happy.Now, go argue with yourself in a mirror.
Reet,
If you get enough good results on basing your opinion on what trainers and jockeys say; then please carry on doing it.I’ll base my opinion on the facts, ie what happens on the racecourse, without biased opinion from parents about their children. What Andrew Lynch said about Rubi Light in the Ryanair is at best pure cojecture, at worst wishful thinking.
When what connections say goes against the facts, I find it usually pays to go with the facts. If that is not what you find Reet, that’s fine.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Value Is EverythingDecember 12, 2011 at 10:40 #382264I really wish some people would waken up and stop comparing form from last season in a negative way from last.
Rubi Light is barely out of his nappies and has improved no end this season. What he did in the Ryanair last year has no bearing on what he is capable of now.
If he wins the Lexus and we get no surprise entries in the Gold Cup ‘Mr Nichols’ it could be Rubi’s for the taking. Gawd only knows it’s a desperate looking affair as it stands.
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