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Minsk needs to improve hugely on that effort.
Here is how I am going to play the race now. Increase interest on Sadlers. He will reverse in a stronger ran race, jumped well enough and the hill will play to his strength. 3 points at 10-1 laddies.
NRNB go on balder succes 3 points and 3 on darroun who won well from the front last time.
I am so against grumeti and pearl swan, one had the run of the race last time and lacks class and thew other got too out paced last time and i would worry he would struggle more in a faster race.
Baby mix, i am hoping that sadlers will reverse and at 10s i think it is a fair price.
I’m even more convinced that the best 4yo race was the Leop race which Hisaabat and Shadow Catcher fought out the finish. Hard to believe both can be backed at around 16/1 still, especially after what we have just seen.
Shadow catcher was left in front too soon, but travelled like a dream throughout, met the last all wrong and will undoubtedly come on for the experience, it being only his 2nd run over hdles.Hisaabat also tavelled well that day, jumped much better with the blinkers on and won quite cosily. Weld thinks the triumph could be the making of him, as he quickens up off a strong pace and has plenty of experience now.
I have backed both, but pref is for Welds charge.
Grumeti jumps really well, glad I snaffled the 10/1 from last week, can’t see anything beating him now.
Glad i took the price now. Whether he’ll win im not absolutely sure as he looks a somewhat quirky individual to me. Clearly though, he’s the most bombproof to be placed without a doubt. When King says he’s as good as any Triumph horse he’s had before, that must be respected given his record in this particular sphere. A worthy favourite and will be interesting to see if Balder Succes runs in this or the Supreme after that.
Yes also managed to get 10s about him winning today & the Triumph.
On a line through Crescent Beach, I’d say he’s run to about 145 without really having to have been asked a question. I’d make him 7/2f.
I just watched Minsk’s race did anyone get the impression they didn’t give a rats a$$ if he won or not?
Beaten in a race like that you couldn’t fancy him but they say he will run anyway ???
I just wonder why on earth would they continue with a good flat horse like him unless they believe he has a 1st class of winning?
No surprise if the Minsk that turns up isn’t the Minsk we saw today and as suggested it’s hardly a classic renewal. Couple of the big boys are taking no risks offering only 9/1 and 10/1
I just watched Minsk’s race did anyone get the impression they didn’t give a rats a$$ if he won or not?
Beaten in a race like that you couldn’t fancy him but they say he will run anyway ???
I just wonder why on earth would they continue with a good flat horse like him unless they believe he has a 1st class of winning?
No surprise if the Minsk that turns up isn’t the Minsk we saw today and as suggested it’s hardly a classic renewal. Couple of the big boys are taking no risks offering only 9/1 and 10/1
Minsk’s jumping was like my golf swing which is like an octopus falling from a window
Henderson has no Triumph horse. The Irish never win the Triumph. Saddler’s Risk ran ok & you could see Cheltenham suiting. Babymix was better than last time but couldn’t be too confident he can reverse form with Grumeti & Pearl Swan who to me look to have the best form on offer at Cheltenham which is another bonus. I think all things point to Grumeti which is nice as I’ve fancied him since his debut. His run today was very pleasing and connections hope it will bring him on. Jumps very well and described as a well built and strong 4yo which I think is important. I also think the better ground in March will suit.
grumeti looked workmanlike to me and I thought baby mix was far more impressive. also the time was much quicker than in the grumeti race. often the flashier types get found out up that hill at cheltenham, but baby mix just looks rock solid to me.
If Grumeti wins today, Grumeti wins the Triumph.
If Grumeti loses today, HOW [expletive] BAD ARE THESE 4YOS!?!?!?!?!?!
Looks like potential for an upset to me. Not impressed with Grumeti either.
grumeti looked workmanlike to me and I thought baby mix was far more impressive. also the time was much quicker than in the grumeti race. often the flashier types get found out up that hill at cheltenham, but baby mix just looks rock solid to me.
Another misinformed comment. Baby Mix was 5.5 seconds faster to the 3rd last. Grumeti was 3.7 seconds faster from that point.
Baby Mix has had a hard race 20 days before he goes into battle. Grumeti has not. Baby Mix has run to a very average level. Grumeti has run to a good level.
I don’t understand how you can say Grumeti was workmanlike when Baby Mix made all and was all out for victory while Grumeti I don’t think was even whipped once and was eased right down in the final 50 yards.
Sadler’s Wells runners at Cheltenham have had such an appalling record recently that right now the only horse I can possibly consider is Grumeti.
Sakhee’s have a tremendous record at the festival.
‘ll have a sadlers over a sakhee anyday.Quite simply the two races are impossible to compare.
Adonis was run at a better pace and therefore the form is probably more upstanding.
Grumeti did all that is required, although not punched out i would have wanted a triumph winner to win a little more easily against a newcomer but i am not a fan of the horse so perhaps a little bias.
Do you find it impressive that Grumeti finished the later parts of the race faster? That is just logical because they went a crawl early on. Quite simply he has only encountered a decent test the once and lost to pearl swan. I suspect he will be found wanting as he was on the flat, several times i watched the horse flounder in a battle. He had first run on a slow looking pearl at cheltenham and couldn’t hold on. What happens when they go hell for leather in the triumph and he can’t get first run??? He simply won’t have it easy then and will bottle it like he did on the level.
How he is preferred to baby mix i don’t know??? 6-1 is a poor price, i make him 10-1 shot at best along with sadlers. Baby mix rightful favourite.
Would not be surprised if baby and sadlers reverse at festival but concerning how outpaced sadlers was at one stage so concerns there but can see him closing well on the run in.
The triumph regularly goes to french and irish bred flatbred horses. Have a look at Darrouns last race from the front in a massive field. gets headed then hammers back to beat hisaabat. Bottle, jumps well, by dalakhani, ok, irish trained is a neg but the british four year olds look extremely mediocre so why not look at the irish? Hisaabat won a nice race last time but his strike rate is poor. Darroun will stay, will have speed to compete and has class. 16-1 is huge, ha can’t be far of these horses at the head?
Positives for grumeti is he and sdlers look to be the best jumpers and gain ground. I worry for baby mix because he seems to cock some hurdles right up. Baby mis has shown the best form of the british horses so has to be respected.
Sakhee’s have a tremendous record at the festival.
‘ll have a sadlers over a sakhee anyday.Well that’s a silly comment. In the last 3 years, Sakhee’s had 3 Festival runners. 3rd in the 2011 Pertemps & 8th & 11th in the same year’s Bumper.
Sadler’s Wells’ record on the other hand is; 0X07X7400604 (X denotes didn’t complete)
My point was that Sadler’s Wells horses don’t seem to be any good now. Indeed, his recent success on the flat has been very limited.
Do you find it impressive that Grumeti finished the later parts of the race faster? That is just logical because they went a crawl early on.
Thank you so much for teaching me the basics of racing.
I actually just came across an interesting trend that I found in 2010 that I’d forgotten about. Between 1998 and 2008, 19 horses ran in the Triumph with a flat RPR of 100+. 1 won (Celestial Halo), 2 placed.
Will look into the last 3 years now to see if that stat has carried on, but if it has, both Minsk and Dildar also reached 100+.
You’d have to be concerned about Minsk’s jumping
But it was a strange race. Almost as if they didn’t want to win it…
You’re welcome Zarks.
I am perectly aware of a limited amount of Sakhees running at the festival. Point being i would rather have a fancied sadlers horse over a fancied sakhee. So Sakhee has hit the ground running with his festival horses.
That is good about the over 100 rated flat horses, i have already put a line through the two named horses, Thanks for your help. I am not looking for the best performer from the flat, Katchit, Penzance etc were positively mediocre on the flat. Alan King turned them into triumoph horses so he can certainly do it Grumeti too.
I would just be more inclined to lean towards an Irish or French bred which have a significantly better record than the british breds.
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