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1010 races into the season with 213 different winning trainers. The leaderboard is as follows;
1st Owen 149 pts (55 wins)
2nd Bowen 135 pts (41 wins)
3rd Skelton 123 pts (38 wins)
4th Murphy 122 pts (40 wins)
5th Snowden 99 pts (31 wins)
6th O’Brien 76 pts (26 wins)
7th Nicholls 71 pts (22 wins)
8th Twiston-Davies’s 55 pts (19 wins)
9th Lacey 49 pts (17 wins)
10th Henderson 46 pts (13 wins)
11th Evan Williams 44 pts (17 wins)
12th Candlish 43 pts (16 wins)
13th McCain 40 pts (15 wins)
14th Pauling 40 pts (16 wins)
15th Greenall & Guerriero 39 pts (15 wins)
16th Greatrex 39 pts (14 wins)
17th Mulholland 38 pts (14 wins)
18th Longsdon 38 pts (14 wins)
19th= Derham 37pts (11 wins)
19th= King 37 pts (11 wins)After today’s racing Murphy moved to the top of the leaderboard with 151 points (49 wins) to Owen’s 149 points (55 wins)
It’s all change at the top of the leaderboard this week;
1st Murphy 151 pts (49 wins)
2nd Skelton 150 pts (44 wins)
3rd Owen 149 pts (55 wins)
4th Bowen 135 pts (41 wins)
5th Snowden 99 pts (31 wins)
6th Nicholls 97 pts (28 wins)
7th O’Brien 95 pts (31 wins)
8th N & W Twiston-Davies 65 pts (22 wins)
9th Lacey 52 pts (18 wins)
10th Evan Williams 51 pts (19 wins)1089 races and 217 different winning trainers.
Leading Irish trainer is Elliott with 34 pts (10 wins) in 28th place.
As the season moves up a gear the leading points scorers for October were;
1st Skelton 69 pts
2nd Murphy 65 pts
3rd N & W Twiston-Davies 48 pts
4th= Snowden 40 pts
4th= O’Brien 40 pts
6th Nicholls 35 pts
7th Russell & Scudamore 30 pts
8th Lavelle 26 pts
9th Owen 24 pts
10th Derham 22 pts1180 races into the season and the leaderboard is as follows;
1st Murphy 175 pts
2nd Skelton 175 pts
3rd Owen 158 pts
4th Bowen 140 pts
5th Snowden 108 pts
6th O’Brien 100 pts
7th Nicholls 97 pts
8th N & W Twiston-Davies 75 pts
9th Pauling 74 pts
10th Derham 58 pts225 different winning trainers but the name Mullins yet to appear amongst them
After today’s 4 timer Skelton is the first trainer to reach 200 points this season;
2 Class 1 Grade 2 winners
1 Class 1 Premier Handicap winner
1 Class 1 Listed winner
9 Class 2 winners
11 Class 3 winners
20 Class 4 winners
11 Class 5 winnersAnother week passes (1286 races) and the leaderboard is now;
1st Skelton 208 pts
2nd Murphy 181 pts
3rd Owen 162 pts
4th Bowen 142 pts
5th Nicholls 134 pts
6th Snowden 127 pts
7th O’Brien 102 pts
8th Pauling 86 pts
9th N & W Twiston-Davies 86 pts
10th Derham 68 ptsBy way of comparison by amount of winners the table would look like this;
1st Owen 59
2nd Skelton 57
3rd Murphy 56
4th Bowen 44
5th Snowden 39
6th Nicholls 36
7th O’Brien 34
8th= Pauling 28
8th= N & W Twiston-Davies 28
10th Honeyball 21The actual table on prize money;
1st Skelton £886603
2nd Murphy £570475
3rd Nicholls £519043
4th Owen £515958
5th Bowen £456953
6th Snowden £388238
7th Pauling £326261
8th N & W Twiston-Davies £309736
9th O’Brien £300820
10th Honeyball £300097After today there have been 1401 races this season and 4184 points. The leaderboard is as follows;
1st Skelton 249 pts (67 wins)
2nd Murphy 203 pts (62 wins)
3rd Owen 173 pts (63 wins)
4th Snowden 147 pts (44 wins)
5th Nicholls 142 pts (37 wins)
6th Bowen 142 pts (44 wins)
7th O’Brien 112 pts (37 wins)
8th Pauling 100 pts (31 wins)
9th N & W Twiston-Davies 95 pts (31 wins)
10th Derham 79 pts (21 wins)The only 2 trainers in the top 30 with no wins/points so far in November are Lavelle & Candlish.
There have been 17 Irish based trainers with winners in the UK this season. Between them they have had 37 winners scoring 132 points.
1514 races and the first Grade 1 of the season. 238 winning trainers.
The leaderboard after today is as follows;
1st Skelton 282 pts (75 wins)
2nd Murphy 217 pts (66 wins)
3rd Owen 173 pts (63 wins)
4th Snowden 163 pts (49 wins)
5th Nicholls 145 pts (38 wins)
6th Bowen 144 pts (45 wins)
7th O’Brien 123 pts (41 wins)
8th Pauling 112 pts (34 wins)
9th N & W Twiston-Davies 106 points (34 wins)
10th Tizzard 98 pts (26 wins)A breakdown of Skelton’s points;
Class 1 Grade 1 (9pts) x 1 win
Class 1 Grade 2 (8pts) x 3 wins
Class 1 PH (7pts) x 2 wins
Class 1 Listed (6pts) x 1 win
Class 2 (5pts) x 12 wins
Class 3 (4pts) x 15 wins
Class 4 (3pts) x 27 wins
Class 5 (2pts) x 14 winsFirst time I’ve seen this, Astralcharmer – a fine piece of work and much credit to you for maintaining it. Would you kindly explain the scoring system?
Thank you Steeplechasing.
I’m keeping it fairly simple as some had said to me that a points based system would be too complicated. So the points are gained as follows and only for wins (I don’t see why placed horses should be taken into account in the trainers title);
Class 6 – 1 point
Class 5 – 2 points
Class 4 – 3 points
Class 3 – 4 points
Class 2 – 5 points
Class 1 (Listed) – 6 points
Class 1 (Premier Handicap) – 7 points
Class 1 (Grade 2) – 8 points
Class 1 (Grade 1) – 9 pointsI might tweak the amount of points when the season comes to an end to see how that might have worked.
As I’ve mentioned before I feel that if you win a certain class of race it should carry the same weight as the next one but this doesn’t happen with prize money where different courses offer varying prize money for winning the same class of race.
Very interesting, thanks. If the objective is measuring a trainer’s merit – fittening, keeping them sound, and entering in the ‘right’ races, is there an argument that all classes of races should be treated the same? Or maybe look at some kind of A/E based on opportunities V candidates. EG, if there were, say, 30 Grade 1 races a season and 100 horses capable on ratings of winning one or more of those, how would that achievement be measured against say 3000 class 6 races per season with 5,000 horses capable of winning one or more? Maths and stats are far from my strong point, but do you get my drift?
Winning races with a yardful of very average horses might in reality be a more laudable feat than the likes of Mullins winning Graded races with a yardful of graded horses.
I do but I was conscious of trying to keep it as simple as possible. I didn’t want to move into Duckworth/Lewis territory which to this day I still have no idea how that works?!!
I never liked the trainers title being based purely on winners after what occurred with Pipe & Nicholls and the prize money system which rewards beaten horses entered en masse and didn’t properly reflect the season as a whole.
It’s always going to be a numbers game no matter what way you slice it. There was a good interview with Paul Nicholls on Nick Luck’s show a few weeks ago. He said he has 125 horses in training, which is not enough to win the trainers championship. I think you need over 200. The only ones who could feasibly win it in the next few years are Skelton, Olly Murphy, maybe, if he gets a good few more grade 1 horses, and Mullins. That’s it.
The final table for November;
1st Skelton 132 pts
2nd Snowden 76 pts
3rd= Pauling 73 pts
3rd= Tizzard 73 pts
5th= Murphy 66 pts
5th= Nicholls 66 pts
7th Henderson 58 pts
8th Derham 55 pts
9th Parkinson & Smith 43 pts
10th Gordon 39 ptsThe overall leaderboard for the season is as follows;
1st Skelton 297 pts (78 wins)
2nd Murphy 227 pts (69 wins)
3rd Owen 185 pts (67 wins)
4th Snowden 181 pts (53 wins)
5th Nicholls 163 pts (42 wins)
6th Bowen 144 pts (45 wins)
7th O’Brien 130 pts (43 wins)
8th Pauling 124 pts (38 wins)
9th N & W Twiston-Davies 110 pts (35 wins)
10th Henderson 104 pts (28 wins)1639 races and 243 different winning trainers.
Top Irish trainer is Elliott with 48 pts (12 wins) in 27th place.
It’s interesting that the table roughly correlates in terms of points and winners. It’s the valuable races in the spring that will really affect the standings.
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