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    #356498
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    His hoof problems were severe and they seem to have left a mark on him.

    To my inexpert eyes, he didn’t appear to stride out very freely.

    Let’s hope he comes out of the race ok and we can look forward to a much improved performance on softer ground.

    #356517
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    Bring over the black dog miss caviar, we’ll ruin her wreteched reputation aswell.

    All right in their own back yard in mickey mouse group races but when they are up against the finest British sprinters they all weap.

    Come on Caviar, lets take you down next.

    #356527
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    Just like Choisir, Takeover Target, Miss Andretti and Starspangledbanner and Scenic Blast were taken down but the "finest British Sprinters"?
    :wink:

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    Just like Choisir, Takeover Target, Miss Andretti and Starspangledbanner and Scenic Blast were taken down by the "finest British Sprinters"?
    :wink:

    Well said Admiral!! And you can also add…

    Equiano (Spain, won 2008 Kings Stand Stakes for Mauricio Delcher Sanchez).
    Ialysos (Greece, won Group 3 at Sandown).
    Agnes World (Japan, beat several British trained horses when winning the 1999 Prix de l’Abbaye).

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    With so many front runners, Overdose was never likely to be suited by todays race. First three home in rear early suggests they went off too quick.

    With what you’ve told us about the injury AG, doubt if he’ll ever reproduce that Abbeye (his best) run on any ground. It was on the firm side of good that day too (at least according to my Timeform); so the "wants softer ground" does not really make sense. Although suppose it is possible going requirements have changed since injury.

    Would not write Overdose off as such, but on the other hand he’s probably not what he once was.

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    #356554
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    I wouldn’t write him off either – he’s obviously a good horse but he was never going to wipe the floor with Group 1 winners in the field. He obviously needs to pick his fights and England during the summer is not going to be kind to him.

    Good horse and its a pity he’s getting such a bad review due to the hype. Its the obvious reaction of most people to knock the horse but that clearly wasn’t his running and he faired well under the circumstances.

    I was a "faraway fan" like everyone else, waiting for the day we saw him against the horses we know to be the best – I’m not going to jump on the bandwagon (which it has somewhat become) and knock the horse. In a way I hope it comes up easy for him at Ascot just so he can do himself justice and so he can be accepted as top class while not being the machine some people expected him to be 3 weeks ago.

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    I don’t want people to knock his form from a couple of years ago because he may not be the horse now that he was then. I found what happened in France heartbreaking..even if the race wasn’t void and he’d’ve come second or third it wouldn’t be as bad as people assuming that he would have been beaten. He was the moral winner that day imo. If it’s hurting me like this I dread to think how connections feel. I so want to see him win a good race either here or in France this season. He’s still a fantastic horse in my eyes.

    #356608
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    I was extremely sad because of all the hope and expectation the horse had at home. I am inclined to agree with persons who suggested his injuries have rendered him not the force he once was. His Abbaye run was faster than the winner Marchand D’Or that year I believe?

    Anyway no point going for the big Ascot races any more but I think he could pick up something valuable in Germany on his present ability.

    Very sad though.

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    #356735
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    But didn’t the rest of the field run 2f before pulling up in the "first leg". Is it not fair to say they ran 2/5ths of their race before racing a second time. Whos to say Marchand D’Or wouldn’t have beaten Overdose if both were racing "fresh"? He’s a good horse of course and any horse can be beaten by tactics and the way races pan out. I still think he will be better at Ascot – provided its not his hoofs that are the problem.

    #356781
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    It’s quite obvious that his feet are a big problem. This was confirmed by his jockey from the post race interview. The horses action got higher and higher as he felt his feet on the firm ground. He simply wouldn’t stretch out but did a good job to finish as close as he did. Definitely needs it good to soft or worse.

    Perhaps if they lay off now and look to Haydock, York and Longchamp later in the year we’ll see a different horse?

    #356788
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    The performance of Sole Power has probably been underestimated because of all the attention directed towards Overdose. He seems to be a top draw sprinter when given his ideal conditions of a strong pace over an easy five furlongs. He will probably get these conditions in the Nunthorpe again and may be underestimated in the market if he doesnt perhaps run so well over the stiffer track at Ascot.

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