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    I can’t believe there isn’t a thread on this race yet. I took a bit of 48s about Sirens Gift on Betfair last night. It’s basically a speed figure bet based on the run before last. She looks a speedy type but finds 5f just slightly too short in top handicaps. I think an easy six should be right up her street and she has also won on Firm ground. I think it will be lightning fast at Goodwood today and your classic 6f performer may not have the toe to stay in contention early on. I’ve always liked low drawn horses in the Stewards Cup as well

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    With 6m of water added to 2m of rain on what was only good ground to begin with, and a cloudy day forecast, ‘lightning fast ground’ seems highly optimistic, imo.
    On his July Cup form Prime Defender should dot up, the worry being that most of the pace is low, in which case Beaver Patrol should run a big race.

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    With 6m of water added to 2m of rain on what was only good ground to begin with, and a cloudy day forecast, ‘lightning fast ground’ seems highly optimistic, imo.
    On his July Cup form Prime Defender should dot up, the worry being that most of the pace is low, in which case Beaver Patrol should run a big race.

    I’m basing it on the Going Stick reading – I’ll post this morning’s reading when it is published

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    Morning all, two longshots for me Edge Closer and a blast from the past Patavellian.

    Cheers

    Adrian.

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    Borderlescott for me

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    Good ground leaning on the slower side than faster side based on first race time.

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    I thought old Borderlescott was going to steal it but not quite to be.

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    Sad to say, but Borderlescott seems to have some kind of problem in seeing out the end of his races. Since his winning this race 2 years ago he has won 1 small conditions race and finished 2nd no less than 11 times. The spectre of his capitulation against the relatively modest Green Manalishi at Chester will live long in the memory.
    A great pity really as there is no horse in training more worthy of a pattern success, and though his problem may well be physical, the time has surely come for his trainer to try some form of eyeshield?

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    Beyond me how you can think Bordelescott is anything less than competely genuine. One of the most consistent horses in training.

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    Yes PC, consistently beaten, often on advantageous terms against inferior horses.
    In his 18 races since his Steward’s Cup win, he has won 1, (A small conditions race, with the exception of one short runner, against horses he should have been giving a stone to), and placed 13 times which surely tells us something isn’t right?
    I love the horse to bits, but until someone finds out what ails him, he does look like forever being a bridesmaid.

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    Borderlescott doesnt have a physical problem or a problem with his attitude imo. He is just a fast horse who is vulnerable over 6f in handicap company as it stretches his stamina and at 5f in pattern company due the strength of the opposition….

    Sprinters often go on long losing streaks due to the competitiveness of the races – it doesn’t necessarily indicate some innate problem with the horse..

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    Borderlescott doesnt have a physical problem or a problem with his attitude imo. He is just a fast horse who is vulnerable over 6f in handicap company as it stretches his stamina and at 5f in pattern company due the strength of the opposition….
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    Interesting theory TDK, but it wouldn’t explain his 2nd places behind Green Manalishi (rated 12lb inferior) or Maltese Falcon (4lb inferior),
    Carrying welter burdens into second place in 2 Steward’s Cups and an Ayr Gold Cup wouldn’t normally suggest a lack of stamina or class, either?

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    I wouldn’t argue that he is a horse who deserves to have won more races given his ability, RH. I just don’t see any attitude problem or lack of resolution – I think the horse has just been unlucky in that his slight off days seem to have coincided with running in races he "should" have won; conversely when he has run a blinder he has come up against a better horse on the day.

    GIven the number of runners you get in sprints, I often think horses are unfairly labelled as serial losers or dogs, when in fact they are just simply victims of the innate competitiveness of such contests.

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    No attitude problem there!

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    Absolutely TDK ~ it just shows how decent he is given his conditions, and how rarely top class sprinters have races run to suit, hence the inability of so many to string together group wins.

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    No attitude problem there!

    Not at all TDK.
    Absolutely delighted for the horse, but it does make his Chester performance all the more mystifying.

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    He was poorly drawn at Chester and isn’t easy for prominent runners there from the car park….

    As Rory suggests there is such a fine line between success and failure in these sprints – if everything clicks, any number of sprinters have the ability to go close in these Group races.

    two questions

    1) What on earth has happened to Sakhee’s Secret? (and will we ever see him on a racecourse again)

    2) How far will King’s Apostle win the Listed race at NEwmarket today? :lol:

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