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As Atzeni said in the stewards on the 1st interference, he was directly behind STS and then Bondi Beach went in and Simple Verse went out, that’s why the bump looked severe.
The second one BB comes in toward SV again and she goes out and bumps him a little.It is a fair decision if they are consistent with their rulings toward interference, but they are not, so to change it in a race like this was very harsh.
If that decision is allowed to stand we are going down the France route. The best horse won the race and that for me is critical. if the second horse would’ve definitely won the race in the stewards opinion then award it the race but I cannot see how that was the case. Bondi Beach wasn’t snatched up, didn’t lose momentum and just couldn’t go past. I know you have to take every case on its merits but that is twice in a row now that this horse has failed to go past with pretty weak excuses made for him.
Tragic luck for the brave, brave filly. No consistency. On the basis of today’s decision how does that tally with Storm The Stars keeping the Voltigeur?
Hats off to Paul Hanagan for consoling Andrea Atzeni – a true gentleman. A pity the same cannot be said of O’Donoghue who ought to have consoled Atzeni as soon as the decision was announced instead of punching the air and walking off. Doesn’t come across as a very nice individual.
Racing needs a central panel of stewards who adjudicate at all tracks but sit at High Holborn, and have live satellite links to the track in order to interview the jockeys. That way some consistency will be achieved.
The head on camera clearly showed that she had to force her way out, yes she was being kept in the pocket (race riding I think they call it – afterall what would have been said if she had just been let her out) but there was never a gap to move into to start with and given the narrow winning margin, if she had of waited and pulled out around Bondi Beach (losing at least a couple of lengths plus momentum) she wouldn’t have won the race.
I wonder if the failure to award Bondi Beach the race at York, when Paul Barton was on duty apparently, informed today’s decision. Righting a wrong. To my eyes Bondi Beach should have been awarded the York race, as the interference clearly, in my opinion, cost him the race that day. I don’t think that was the case today, and crucially the interference caused to him 1/2f from home today was reciprocated when he bumped the filly back – six of one half a dozen of the other. I don’t think the bump two furlongs out was significant enough to say it cost him the race, as the horse had plenty of time to get on top if he was good enough.
The head on camera clearly showed that she had to force her way out, yes she was being kept in the pocket (race riding I think they call it – afterall what would have been said if she had just been let her out) but there was never a gap to move into to start with and given the narrow winning margin, if she had of waited and pulled out around Bondi Beach (losing at least a couple of lengths plus momentum) she wouldn’t have won the race.
If you’re talking about barging out, how come Peslier didn’t get disqualified at Goodwood for barging his way out on Dartmouth? Todays offence wasn’t as serious as that one was.
Without the first incident the filly would not have been able to get out and got her position. Can the stewards take that information in to account when considering if she’d have won “without interference taking place”?
Value Is EverythingThe fact that we all have differing opinions on what we have just seen highlights exactly why there is inconsitency when asking different stewards at different racecourse on different days to make a judgement – centralised stewarding is now a priority so at least the same people can preside over all enquiries for a more consistent result.
Without the first incident the filly would not have been able to get out and got her position. Can the stewards take that information in to account when considering if she’d have won “without interference taking place”?
If you apply that logic you have to apply the same logic tens of times during any season.
The key thing to me here is –
1 DID THE BEST HORSE WIN THE RACE? – Yes
2 WOULD THE SECOND HORSE HAVE WON THE RACE HAD THE WINNER NOT INTERFERED WITH IT?- No.Yes the filly was maneuvered out but she didn’t interfere with second enough for that horse to have been beaten because of it given that he had another two furlongs to run.
The head on camera clearly showed that she had to force her way out, yes she was being kept in the pocket (race riding I think they call it – afterall what would have been said if she had just been let her out) but there was never a gap to move into to start with and given the narrow winning margin, if she had of waited and pulled out around Bondi Beach (losing at least a couple of lengths plus momentum) she wouldn’t have won the race.
If you’re talking about barging out, how come Peslier didn’t get disqualified at Goodwood for barging his way out on Dartmouth? Todays offence wasn’t as serious as that one was.
SIMPLE!! Distance. IF they didnt disqualify today after only a head between the two at the end, I could see no point in even bothering with the Stewards Inquiry. Waste of time appealing and for me,the clearly correct decision.
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I wonder if the failure to award Bondi Beach the race at York, when Paul Barton was on duty apparently, informed today’s decision.
From what I heard Barton said he was not on duty then Ivanjica, said he’d seen the incident since.
Value Is EverythingThe head on camera clearly showed that she had to force her way out, yes she was being kept in the pocket (race riding I think they call it – afterall what would have been said if she had just been let her out) but there was never a gap to move into to start with and given the narrow winning margin, if she had of waited and pulled out around Bondi Beach (losing at least a couple of lengths plus momentum) she wouldn’t have won the race.
If you’re talking about barging out, how come Peslier didn’t get disqualified at Goodwood for barging his way out on Dartmouth? Todays offence wasn’t as serious as that one was.
SIMPLE!! Distance. IF they didnt disqualify today after only a head between the two at the end, I could see no point in even bothering with the Stewards Inquiry. Waste of time appealing and for me,the clearly correct decision.
What?
Bondi Beach had TWO FURLONGS to make up that minimal distance – TWO FURLONGS. (I’ll even bold it) TWO FURLONGS
If you’re talking about barging out, how come Peslier didn’t get disqualified at Goodwood for barging his way out on Dartmouth? Todays offence wasn’t as serious as that one was.
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You highlight the problem with consistency right there, he should have been disqualified imho even though he was the best horse in the race (which I don’t think should play any part in a decision).Not sure if you remember the incident back at Goodwood in the 1983 Richmond St with Vacarme & Lester being thrown out along with the second Creag-an-Sgor meaning the third placed horse won the race – I am not sure that we want to go back to those days but it just show that even then people (Julian Wilson & Jimmy Lindley) could’t agree on the outcome.
Without the first incident the filly would not have been able to get out and got her position. Can the stewards take that information in to account when considering if she’d have won “without interference taking place”?
If you apply that logic you have to apply the same logic tens of times during any season.
The key thing to me here is –
1 DID THE BEST HORSE WIN THE RACE? – Yes
2 WOULD THE SECOND HORSE HAVE WON THE RACE HAD THE WINNER NOT INTERFERED WITH IT?- No.Yes the filly was maneuvered out but she didn’t interfere with second enough for that horse to have been beaten because of it given that he had another two furlongs to run.
Have you seen the head on IB?
There was no gap before the interference took place. Bondi Beach clearly came out of that first incident worse off.
If this type of incident is allowed to go unchanged then every jockey will barge his way out of a pocket to win a valuable race.Would the winner have got out in time to win the race without making his own gap? – NO.
Value Is EverythingI haven’t seen the head on but I am unequivocal in my opinion that the stewards had only one logical choice to make here:-
Disqualify the first three home and award the race to Storm The Stars
Is that too much to ask?
I honestly didn’t see the head on but I am not sure from the pictures I saw that Bondi Beach would definitely have won. It look much worse to me than the Storm The Stars/Bondi Beach incident at York, where I felt the Haggas horse was just getting the better of it.
At least I picked Bondi Beach as value at 10/1 but I had no money on him. A bit disappinted with the result, I hoped Ralph Beckett would keep the prize. It didn’t really look like a real group 1 race today though, some slow horses in there!
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Steve – the head on replay real is quite telling and clearly shows that she forced open a non existent gap, had she not done that she wouldn’t have won the race plain and simple.
I feel desperately sorry for Ralph Beckett especially hot on the heels of the disgraceful episode he endured in the US but if you honestly asked him if he was the trainer of the second would he expect the result to be reversed then I have no doubt he would say yes.
I think I was right in believing that Storm The Stars just didn’t stay as nothing was going as well as him 2F out but the gas tank emptied soon after he was sent on and it was only his guts that kept him in the race.
First of all I must say I backed the winner (well the official winner)
All I want to say on the matter is to almost replicate what Ralph Beckett said ………….. Inconsistency is the problem here plain and simple. Realta goes across half the field and hampers at least three horses and keeps the race ???
Mr Lupton ???
Suzy’s Connoissuer last Saturday ???
Dartmouth at Goodwood?
If you watch racing regularly the list is endless.IMO the only solution is to do what the French do and place the offending horse behind the one it has hampered.
This may stop the kamikaze win at all cost race riding that seems to be the norm now!!Like I say it is only my opinion
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