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- June 8, 2015 at 20:45 #1099855
This is the obvious target for this fellow after his staying on 4th in the Derby,he was certainly closing down the Ante-Post 5/1fav ‘Storm the Stars’ so the extra 2 furlongs will suit perfectly around Doncaster a track that will play to his strengths.10/1 is freely available.
June 22, 2015 at 15:06 #1111260MR SINGH 20/1
Keeps improving and trainer knows a type of horse to run here he my bet.
July 7, 2015 at 17:49 #1126371What you guys thoughts on the st leger my bet runs at Newmarket this thursday.
July 7, 2015 at 18:05 #1126375It’s a strange thing to say about a race like the St Leger but I’ll be amazed if Storm the stars turns up in one piece and is beaten. Seems to have everything you need to win the race. Still massive value as he’s an odds on shot in my eyes.
July 11, 2015 at 09:59 #1128554I picked out Storm The Stars at 16/1 before the Derby, along with Giovanni Canaletto at 20/1. Both enhanced their claims for the Leger in finishing 3rd and 4th.
Storm The Stars put in an excellent effort in finishing runner up in the Irish Derby and gave a clear enough indication to me that he was the one for the Leger of the two colts.
The Great Voltigeur was said to be the next target but you had the feeling William Haggas saw the Leger as some sort of poor consolation despite it appearing clear enough that the horse wasn’t quite good enough to mix it with Jack Hobbs and Golden Horn.
Haggas appears to have got itchy feet and he has supplemented Storm The Stars for the Grand Prix De Paris. No harm in going for a good pot like that but the trouble for those who have backed him for the Leger is that success in the French group 1 may give the trainer aspirations to head for bigger still prizes and give the Leger a miss.
Mr Singh was impressive enough the other day but wasn’t doing anything unexpected in seeing off a moderate looking bunch. I think halving his odds from 20/1 to 10/1 was hardly warranted but may yet prove correct if Storm The Stars ends up elsewhere. It’s actually a bit unnerving to see Storm The Stars at 11/2 as he’s the class act by some way for me.
Aidan O’Brien has the usually mix of Derby types stepping up, stayers dropping in trip and in between candidates such as Bondi Beach and Order Of St George who both finished ahead of Forgotten Rules recently. Elm Park seems to have fallen off the face of the Earth after his Derby flop.
The main questions for me are whether William Haggas wants to win a Leger or would rather finish fourth in something more exotic. The other factor is if conditions are such that one of the future Triumph Hurdle horses romps home and the form book is shredded and burned in the aftermath.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
July 22, 2015 at 13:39 #114081329 horses left in the St Leger now and an amazing 16 of those are trained by Aidan O’ Brien.
There will be plenty of dead wood in there amongst the Ballydoyle posse and it will be interesting to see how many remain in there come race day.
It hardly inspires confidence that so many from one stable are left in a race but I feel that the right place to head for a saver is the O’Brien horde.
With Storm The Stars picked already at 16/1 and Giovanni Canaletto selected at 20/1 I feel there are two candidates left to focus on. Mr Singh looks a typical Gosden candidate who is probably still improving. I feel he needs to step up a little bit but he could well do so and the extra distance of the Leger looks likely to suit and is a great form leveller. After Storm The Stars effort in the Grand Prix De Paris I am less confident that he has taken the right path and is as good a bet as he originally looked. The trouble with Mr Singh is that he is just a shade short in the betting to take the chance that he will improve enough.
Giovanni Canaletto is weak in the betting at 14/1 after kicking this thread off at a general 10/1. You get the feeling he was rather rushed to the Derby to help bolster a very weak looking Ballydoyle challenge. He lost ground with Storm The Stars and Jack Hobbs from Epsom to the Curragh and my feeling is that one of the more patiently handled colts will emerge as the leading candidate from the O’Brien yard.
Leading Light landed the Queen’s Vase before dropping down in distance for the Leger. Prior to that he had run in the Gallinule and after Giovanni Canaletto went down narrowly to Curvy in the same trial this year, I felt he may have followed the same route as the horse who later landed the Gold Cup at Ascot. It was Aloft who actually went to the Queen’s Vase as TAPK’s Derby tip went to Epsom and it is Aloft who interests me as a Leger bet at odds of 12/1 now.
Aloft went in to the Queen’s Vase with some judges holding reservations about his stamina but he saw it out well enough in, what, to be honest, probably wasn’t a very good race. On the plus side he is very unexposed and is entitled to improve quite a bit. He holds a career win over Storm The Stars, albeit a narrow one and a long time ago, and he has had a quiet campaign, which is one thing you cannot say about the William Haggas horse. I just have this feeling that if it can be cocked up, William Haggas will cock it up and I have him, rightly or wrongly, pegged as something of an under-achieving trainer, considering the well bred horses that have gone through his hands for more than a generation. Aloft is a Racing Post Trophy runner-up and Queens Vase winner, he has a likeable profile and scope for improvement, stamina is assured. He’s the sort of horse I could see going off at 5/1 or even less come Leger day if all falls correct for him and the inevitable decimation of the field is complete. A pretty sound each-way selection at 12/1 for me but having picked two others already I would only place a win bet myself.
Aloft 12/1 (Several firms, Ladbrokes only go 8/1)
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
July 22, 2015 at 20:59 #1141004You might well be right about Haggas.
Certainly if I’m honest I was very impressed with Mr Singh at Newmarket. He looks like a serious contender indeed and his performance and Storm the Stars being beaten in France has undermined my previous confidence.
August 6, 2015 at 19:41 #1163912Kilimanjaro has been pulled out of the St Leger. I know some people fancied him.
Fields Of Athenry won this evening and was cut for the race. He holds Great Voltigeur and Ebor entries as well and was also cut for those races.
Tonight’s winner is as low as 6/1 for the Leger but there is some 14/1 left when I last looked. He makes no appeal to me at the same odds as Storm The Stars, having won a race this evening where he was comfortably clear on ratings and where his nearest rival on the formbook was seven years of age and 16/1 this evening.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
August 6, 2015 at 21:51 #1164020He pushes clear from some way out as shown in tonight’s victory and the previous win over further. It’s one thing doing that at the level he has been at and a completely different thing applying those same tactics in a group 1 classic. I can’t see how the race he just won is much if at all better than the one he was victorious in last time so any drastic price change would make him little value for the St. Leger.
August 7, 2015 at 00:11 #1164107He pushes clear from some way out as shown in tonight’s victory and the previous win over further. It’s one thing doing that at the level he has been at and a completely different thing applying those same tactics in a group 1 classic. I can’t see how the race he just won is much if at all better than the one he was victorious in last time so any drastic price change would make him little value for the St. Leger.
Edelpour, who was second had won a pig of a race on soft previously. He looked like an absolute boat that time and was coming in rated 21 lbs inferior to Fields Of Athenry on 93. I don’t think there is anything whatsoever that would make me, as Stan James have done, chalk up one of the multitude of O’Brien entries at 6/1 for the Leger, the same price as a Derby third and Irish Derby second.
I’d have him ante-post fav for the Cheltenham Bumper though

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
August 7, 2015 at 09:55 #1164491i thought he still looked very green last night,or (i know he wears headgear) a bit quirky.I mabe wrong but could not back him with what i have seen so far
August 7, 2015 at 16:23 #1164943A bit disappointing for Mr Singh fans to see Bahrain Trophy runner up Future Empire beaten off a mark of 97 in a Musselburgh handicap today. Also a bit alarming for Aloft followers as well, as the Godolphin horse had been 3rd in the Queens Vase at Royal Ascot, a race that is stinking the place out form wise.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
August 18, 2015 at 22:02 #1173247I’ve stuck a few quid on Tashaar 16’s with Paddy.
He reminds me a bit of Sea Moon going into the Great Voltigeur in that he is lightly raced and with bags of unknown potential. It’s not like Hannon to have a horse this lightly raced at this stage in his three year old campaign and he thinks the world of him.Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
August 19, 2015 at 15:23 #1174788I’ve stuck a few quid on Tashaar 16’s with Paddy.
He reminds me a bit of Sea Moon going into the Great Voltigeur in that he is lightly raced and with bags of unknown potential. It’s not like Hannon to have a horse this lightly raced at this stage in his three year old campaign and he thinks the world of him.Today’s Voltigeur 1-2 look the value for the Leger now.
Storm The Stars at 5/1 (Ladbrokes)
Bondi Beach 10/1 (Boylesports)
Giovanni Canaletto looks out of it now, well bested by his stable mate today, who arguably has more scope as well.
16/1 Storm The Stars before the Derby and I am satisfied with that ante-post selection.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
August 19, 2015 at 15:30 #1174807I had a bit on STS for the Volt Steve as your Christmas gift but wasn’t entirely confident and thought I’d cover with Tashaar here as if he’d won would of been shorter, that one ran of gas and came to a stand still and would not be going to Doncaster now. Good luck with STS 16’s is a very good price and I’ll be cheering him on for you.
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August 20, 2015 at 14:10 #1177023I had a bit on STS for the Volt Steve as your Christmas gift but wasn’t entirely confident and thought I’d cover with Tashaar here as if he’d won would of been shorter, that one ran of gas and came to a stand still and would not be going to Doncaster now. Good luck with STS 16’s is a very good price and I’ll be cheering him on for you.
Thanks Nathan. Sadly, getting the odds always proves the easy part of the equation. You need a lotHannon to drop right for you on these ante-posts and sometimes it goes woefully wrong, as it did with Ol’ Man River.
Bondi Beach has to be a serious contender now and we will get some idea of Fields Of Athenry after the Ebor.
It’s been a slightly below par vintage for O’Brien this season but he’s shaping up again for next year and perhaps is playing a more patient game with some of his 2yo’s this year, having watched Golden Horn and Jack Hobbs make very late seasonal debuts before going on to Derby glories.
Hannon just can’t seem to get many horses who stay really well in the top races. I tend to avoid anything past a mile with his stable.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
August 26, 2015 at 22:03 #1183870Well the wheat has been well separated from the chaff in the St Leger now, with only twelve left in the race.
There was always a shed load of dead wood in there and it’s all about spotting that early and getting the value.
As I had expected, Aloft’s pathetic effort in the Voltigeur saw him left out of the Leger. O’Brien still comes in at this stage with multiple entries but I feel that only two of his have a chance.
I can’t have an Ebor 5th placed horse winning a Classic, so Fields Of Athenry is out of it for me. Giovanni Canaletto seems well exposed and there would need to be a Stewards Enquiry now that Storm The Stars has a 3-0 record over him.
Balios is out of the race now and others like Hans Holbein, Elm Park and Covert Love, who were once fancied as Leger types are no longer in contention.
With Aloft out, I’m left with Storm The Stars at 16/1 and Giovanni Canaletto at 20/1. I have no expectations on the O’Brien horse but am obviously delighted with Storm The Stars.
Order Of St George is the only horse the punters want to know about here but I feel he’s a silly price now. The ratings don’t have a lot between him and Storm The Stars but the latter horse has rock solid form, which I readily prefer in terms of reliability to that of Order Of St George. There is also the possibility that Storm The Stars could improve for the step up in trip.
I think it’s crazy that Order Of St George is narrowly favourite here.
I will be shocked if the winner comes from anywhere other than the first four in the betting and I believe Storm The Stars should be no bigger than 5/2 favourite here.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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