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Sadly, the winner is not in the Poll.
Great Heavens. Will love the trip and as long as the ground has cut in it I think she will see off this bunch of mediocre colts.
Great Heavens available at 14/1 with Sporting Bet, got to be worth a chance it comes up softish at that price?!
I’ve lost all faith in Main Sequence now and Camelot is going to have to be some plodder if Gosden’s horse is going to outstay him at Doncaster.
Is the Leger looking like a bit of a Triple Crown penalty kick for Aidan’s horse?
Not convinced by Camelot myself, the form isn’t really working out, he’s obviously a very good colt but think odds of 4/9 are ridiculous.
Great Heavans would have a real chance of beating him if it’s on the soft side and 14/1 represents far better value.
Not convinced by Camelot myself, the form isn’t really working out, he’s obviously a very good colt but think odds of 4/9 are ridiculous.
Great Heavans would have a real chance of beating him if it’s on the soft side and 14/1 represents far better value.
Good luck Pants.
I won’t be betting on the race, but I’m considering going to see it.
I have waited for years to see a Triple Crown winning colt. I must admit -perhaps in part due to Frankel being around- Camelot thus far has seemed a less than astounding prospect for that honour. In normal racing years the chance of a TC horse would perhaps merit even more excitement.
Still it will be something to see if Aidan’s horse does come good.
Not convinced by Camelot myself, the form isn’t really working out, he’s obviously a very good colt but think odds of 4/9 are ridiculous.
Great Heavans would have a real chance of beating him if it’s on the soft side and 14/1 represents far better value.
Good luck Pants.
I won’t be betting on the race, but I’m considering going to see it.
I have waited for years to see a Triple Crown winning colt. I must admit -perhaps in part due to Frankel being around- Camelot thus far has seemed a less than astounding prospect for that honour. In normal racing years the chance of a TC horse would perhaps merit even more excitement.
Still it will be something to see if Aidan’s horse does come good.
I am not at all excited by the prospect of Camelot winning the triple crown. He won the worst 2000 Guineas I have seen and the worst Derby I have seen. I don’t think it is the Frankel factor at work regarding the luke-warm reception from the general public towards Camelot. The horse simply hasn’t done enough to endear himself to the nation. I spoke to non-regular punters before the Derby and they could not believe the small field and the odds regarding the favourite. It was a huge non-event for anyone outside the racing circle and winning the St Leger will not propel him into the National consciousness in my opinion, particularly as the horse will have gone off odds-on in every outing bar one, when he scraped home by a neck from a bunch who have managed to collect 3 wins in 39 attempts since. Someone said to me recently, "I would love to see Frankel take on Camelot!!"
I haven’t managed to stop laughing yet.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Stevielad you just got to watch more races.
Not sure what you are getting at here andy. I have been watching racing since 1973, my first bet ever was on The Dikler in Red Rum’s first winning National. I was 10 years old and had to wait outside the bookies for a helpful "mannie" to place the bet on my behalf. "It’s not for me, it’s my Auntie Jean’s bet" was the accepted cover story. The Dikler finished fifth and it would be another six years before I lost my National virginity with an each way bet on Rubstic at 25/1, still underage but tall enough not to need to bother "mannies" any more. Since those days there has hardly been a big race I have missed:- Oh So Sharp, Dancing Brave, Reference Point, Mtoto, Pebbles, Nashwan, Generous, Montjeu, Sinndar, Galileo etc have all given me that excitement factor but Camelot has left me relatively cold. I don’t think that racing has been any less exciting for the lack of a Triple Crown winning colt for over forty years and I don’t see it being any better for the sport if it happens this year, when the form has brought a whole new appreciation of the word "mediocre"
If you were to ask the average UK citizen what they thought about Camelot, they would probably say "Well, the lottery isn’t paying the Jackpots it once did"
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Thanks for sharing part of your resume Steve.It adds credence to the opinions expressed here.I thought this years classics were no better or no worse than the average.Point is the Guineas winner is not expected to win the Leger no matter how poor the Guineas is.Must be usefull to win all three against the whole herd of three year olds.Even Frankel was not up to that challenge.Not saying that Camelot is either.To be fast enough to beat the milers and persistent enough to see off the stayers calls for talent of some sort.Wonder what kind of mare would best suit such a stud.
Not convinced by Camelot myself, the form isn’t really working out, he’s obviously a very good colt but think odds of 4/9 are ridiculous.
Great Heavans would have a real chance of beating him if it’s on the soft side and 14/1 represents far better value.
Good luck Pants.
I won’t be betting on the race, but I’m considering going to see it.
I have waited for years to see a Triple Crown winning colt. I must admit -perhaps in part due to Frankel being around- Camelot thus far has seemed a less than astounding prospect for that honour. In normal racing years the chance of a TC horse would perhaps merit even more excitement.
Still it will be something to see if Aidan’s horse does come good.
I am not at all excited by the prospect of Camelot winning the triple crown.
He won the worst 2000 Guineas I have seen and the worst Derby I have seen. I don’t think it is the Frankel factor at work regarding the luke-warm reception from the general public towards Camelot. The horse simply hasn’t done enough to endear himself to the nation. I spoke to non-regular punters before the Derby and they could not believe the small field and the odds regarding the favourite. It was a huge non-event for anyone outside the racing circle and winning the St Leger will not propel him into the National consciousness in my opinion, particularly as the horse will have gone off odds-on in every outing bar one, when he scraped home by a neck from a bunch who have managed to collect 3 wins in 39 attempts since. Someone said to me recently, "I would love to see Frankel take on Camelot!!"
I haven’t managed to stop laughing yet.
Fair enough.
I actually am. Not as excited as I perhaps would have been once upon a time, but excited enough to want him to win. I think I’m going to go and watch him do it too.
Stevielad you just got to watch more races.
I think Andy is implying that you must have missed a few races. If you think that this year’s Guineas was worse than the 1999 edition then you have to concede he may have a point.
Stevielad you just got to watch more races.
I think Andy is implying that you must have missed a few races. If you think that this year’s Guineas was worse than the 1999 edition then you have to concede he may have a point.
Strangely enough, I never saw the build up to that race or the race itself. My wife was rushed into hospital in April and spent the next four months on the ward. I had an ante-post bet on Daliapour in the Derby that year but I never saw the race. Probably best remembered for the fact that Dubai Millenium didn’t win the race in the light of his subsequent exploits.
These comparisons are usually down to the individual opinion, as it is very time consuming to break down the race in question to the nth degree to "prove" how bad the race was. Part of my issue with this year’s Guineas is as much to do with how poor a prospect the race looked quite a while before it was due to take place. My heart sank when Harbour Watch came out and not just because I had a juicy ante post voucher on him, once Most Improved came out the race looked so uncompetitive and we had to cast an eye towards France for some potential opposition to Camelot. On the day I backed Camelot in a double and Abtaal singly. After the race I made the decision that Camelot would win the Derby and that I wouldn’t back anything else from the race. Come the Irish Guineas I cracked and placed a bet on Trumpet Major, then watched his odds collapse to ridiculously short before stinking the place out. I have kept my promise since then though!!
Camelot still could be something special but I just have the feeling he won’t tackle and beat older horses this season. Just my gut feeling at the moment, good luck to those who are keeping the faith in him. That’s what the game is all about.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Sadly, the winner is not in the Poll.
Great Heavens. Will love the trip and as long as the ground has cut in it I think she will see off this bunch of mediocre colts.
Great Heavens available at 14/1 with Sporting Bet, got to be worth a chance it comes up softish at that price?!
Even tens and eights. Why isn’t she mentioned in the poll, here? Don’t say they know something we don’t…
Must have a chance.But I would not back anything to beat Camelot until this race is run.
Must have a chance.But I would not back anything to beat Camelot until this race is run.
Might be a tad difficult to get a bet on as late as that andy
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Come on Steve you know what I mean.Wait until after the Leger to have a go at him.Am I still confusing?
Sadly, the winner is not in the Poll.
Great Heavens. Will love the trip and as long as the ground has cut in it I think she will see off this bunch of mediocre colts.
Great Heavens available at 14/1 with Sporting Bet, got to be worth a chance it comes up softish at that price?!
Even tens and eights. Why isn’t she mentioned in the poll, here? Don’t say they know something we don’t…
When the poll was opened Great Heavens was a heavy-ground Yarmouth maiden winner. The stable had 3 viable Leger possibles so I do not suppose she was on the radar.
Just read that Great Heavens is an unlikely runner, being aimed at the Prix Vermielle on Sunday instead. Whether that is tied in with the current going at Doncaster I don’t know. There was a nagging doubt in my mind about her taking her place, partly due to the ground dependency and partly because of the stable depth in the race, so I didn’t place a bet on her, this was amplified when I saw 14/1 available this week. Maybe she will pitch up in the Arc if it is soft enough. Thought Worthy and Michelangelo are said to be the likely two from Gosden’s yard, with a pacemaker, presumably to draw the kick out of Camelot.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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