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A really bad renewal of this race….Frankel can not be beaten IMO. He won’t even need be half primed as he was for the 2000 Guineas. Could go off around 1/4 or 1/5. The opposition will run away that is any way meaningful.
Just go home get your floorboards up Ruby and put all your cash on
FRANKEL he won’t get beat.Absolute banker double of the meeting is The Franke and So You Think, expected 1/3 and 1/2 – but will win by a combined 12 lengths.
Frankel winning distance will be a interesting bet….anything above 3l for me is a good bet
Isn’t it about time someone priced this up – with or without Frankel?
The bookies are definitely running scared. When you consider the have priced up the Queen Anne and the Coventry for the first day, but not this, something is clearly up here.
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At 20/1 bar 2, 1/4 the odds a place first 3 and likely to be a very small field, would you lay odds on it?
Frankel at 1/3 is buying money….this horse can not be beaten at Royal Ascot. Wooton Basset was beaten by Tin Horse a tin pot horse. They have to improve stones to beat this fella
For some reason I just feel like Frankel isn’t the type of horse you could rely on. You have to be concerned whether his outing last time bottomed him out (gallop reports appear not), and trainers will surely consider race tactics more thoroughly now that everybody knows what he’s going to do.
"Zarkava" wrote: For some reason I just feel like Frankel isn’t the type of horse you could rely on.
I feel the exact same Zarkava! Everything points to an easy Frankel victory, and I can’t find anything to beat him, not on form anyway. Yet I don’t think I’d feel as comfortable with a large sum of money on him as I did a few times on Sea The Stars a couple of years ago.
It’s just somehow hard to see him demolishing a field again. I mean, we all saw him last home for an easy victory in the Guineas but, surely it won’t happen again. It was just that unbelievable. Those would be my thoughts if the same tactics are used in this, surely he’s gone off too quick?
I hope we see another sensational performance from him on Tuesday as it can only be good for racing, but if I’m to have a bet it will be on something e/w, perhaps Zoffany.
Have to say that the last horse I couldn’t trust and actually never ever backed in a single (I believe I doubled him up with Harchibald (beaten by Straw Bear) at Kempton once, but that’s the only time ever) was Kauto Star. I just couldn’t bring myself to trust his occasional habit of completely missing a fence.
I’ve already got Frankel to be unbeaten at 12/1 for £30 so I won’t be looking to oppose him, but I’d be looking for a hold-up horse who’s very stoutly bred to do a SFC with. It’s actually an interesting scenario. What will Wootton Basset do? Will they stick him into 2nd or take Frankel on? I hope he does the latter, as it’ll be interesting to see where they finish. If Frankel finishes 40 odd lengths ahead of him, ok, wow, I will believe the hype.
I also worry that this is a seriously bad crop of 3yos Europe-wide.
Trends are a very interesting device. They don’t always pay off finding winners, but you can see where certain winners group together on the class scale. 1995-2011, Shaamit, High Rise, Oath, Kris Kin, Sir Percy and now Pour Moi all posted sub-85 RPRs on their debuts. Is it a co-incidence that the former 5 are 99% without doubt the worst 5 Derby winners of the 17 runnings? I’m not sure. It’s very rare to find a bad Derby winner in a good crop of 3yos.
Perhaps Frankel is a wonderhorse. I hope so, it’ll make this flat season so much better than it’s already looking like being. He’s just not one I’m going to trust at 4/11. He beat nothing at Newmarket and was tiring badly at the end. Japanese turf horses are not bad by any stretch of the imagination, absolutely IMO the best turf horses in the world outside of the British Isles and France, so it’ll be a great comparison if GP Boss does indeed come over for the task.
If you cant rely on a horse that has won 6 out of 6 by miles each time then I’m not sure who you can rely on.
"He beat nothing at Newmarket" – what on earth are you talking about? The second was then an unlucky runner up in the Irish 2,000 beaten by a horse that Frankel has beaten twice! The third finished close up behind in the Derby just behind a horse that was destroyed last year in the Royal Lodge. The horse he beat in the Greenham then won the German Guineas by 7 lengths. In fact every single race he has ever run has produced winners.
Zarkaza likes trends…well I have one for you. Listen to this….it is amazing……..Frankel has run in 6 races…..and won all of them! I know – I couldnt believe it either.
Yes he was tiring in the last furlong of the Guineas but if you look behind you will see everything else looking much worse. In fact DG and NK were not making ground in the last half furlong if you look at it again. There was a massive headwind and he had been out in front the whole way. OF COURSE he was tired. It was a truly phenomenal performance and, if it hadnt been for the wind, he would surely have smashed the course record. It was Frankel’s first proper race in which he was asked a proper question and he has had 45 days off since then.
It is a game of opinions but still I am amazed that there are still people out there wanting to question this horse. Just listen to the other trainers, the other jockeys and hear what they think of him. But better than that, just watch his 6 races again and ask yourself, in all seriousness, is this REALLY not a horse to be trusted?!!!!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Yet again people question the 3yo crop before Ascot, totally pointless imo.
The Guineas form is working out in a big way – Frankel is the real deal.
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It was a truly phenomenal performance and, if it hadnt been for the wind, he would surely have smashed the course record.
No he wouldn’t – unless you accept that Blue Bunting would have also broken it the next day, given a 50% stronger headwind.
It was a truly phenomenal performance and, if it hadnt been for the wind, he would surely have smashed the course record.
No he wouldn’t – unless you accept that Blue Bunting would have also broken it the next day, given a 50% stronger headwind.
IMO he would have Reet. He ran much faster than Blue Bunting, he was out on his own in the middle of the track not up against the sheltered stands side. Well done for working out the percentage of the head wind by the way! I am sure you are right!
Whether he would or wouldnt is again a matter of opinion but what is not is that he pulverised his field – yet again.
But Reet, Zarkava and THM – you keep questioning him and the rest of us will keep enjoy watching this great horse win!!!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
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