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Took the cat in tonight.
quite relieved as it had been
out for nigh on two days
and I do cat care
Quite surprised to see it
stiff as a board, even hurt my
eating hand on its whiskers.Then I remembered.
When I threw it out the other night
it was still in the freezer.Stoute is a very private trainer,
they all are – even Channon.Last time Harnbinger ran at
the Ascot festival, Stoute seemed
overly pensive, and his heavy
secretive lids seemed to hide more,
and have more than the
oncoming race, above them, on in his mind.
He was on fire !I mentioned it in a Rampante thread.
I thought that day – why the concern ?
why the acute nervousness ? Like on
a first date, and why
the quick quick slow slow,
not-over-here gait,
and the look around
and behind, in all directions.Fact is we all now know,
what Michael was hiding.
The tell, noticed only
by superior mind detectives,
and psychichs who don’t advertise,
and keep the awful secrets of the dead hidden.He was hiding the fact,
he had a ton and a half
of horse at home and was
worried if he could
contain his own blood vessels
and his own internal someraults
as this horse ate up
the long Ascot gradient
like a large mountain cat on speeed.I’d say lay it at your peril. This horse is the real deal
this
season.
What’s not to like about the way the way he travels at a high tempo, perfectly settled; his fantastic physique and balance; the way he never changed legs once in the straight when asked to go about his business, quickening like greyhound off a strong gallop. He could have taken five more lengths out of them if pushed. Seeing is believing.
The essence of his last two performances have me in no doubt that this is the best middle distance horse in the world. A star has been born again, and it’s fantastic!
Again, we can’t get carried away with this win. Yes it was hugely impressive and yes he broke the track record but 1 victory doesn’t make you the best horse in the world! Take out the pacemaker and he has only beaten 4 other horses, albeit 4 class animals. Only 1 of the horse he beat was rated in the 120s and we can now safely assume that rating (Workforce) was hugely exaggerated (check back at my Blog for my post Derby analysis from June http://www.narrowing-the-field.com/2010/06/workforce-provisionally-rated-132.html))
Harbinger is undoubtedly a class animal but 2-1/evens in the ARC for a horse that has only won 1 Group 1 race……No thanks!
Is there really a need for using the quote facility in all these posts? Makes it rather difficult to read.
Agreed
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2/1 – evens may be a ridiculous price for Harbinger in the Arc but based on current form and the known likely runners who is going to beat him at Longchamp?
2/1 – evens may be a ridiculous price for Harbinger in the Arc but based on current form and the known likely runners who is going to beat him at Longchamp?
Nothing will beat him, that performance was breathtaking yesterday
Fact is we all now know,
what Michael was hiding.
The tell, noticed only
by superior mind detectives,
and psychichs who don’t advertise,Pure Poetry there Gamble,you are obviously refering to your King here!
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2/1 is fair enough but why anybody would take the price now is beyond me.
The fact is if running in the Arc they will more than likely go straight there.
Whereas Fame and Glory will run next in the Royal Whip and then onto the Irish Champion.
The French horses will be out in the Arc trials..
Sariska, she will run, where Im not sure….
All Harbingers contenders will run beforehand and as such one of them is bound to be impressive enough to at least ensure 2/1 is at least available about Harbiner come the day and that that the market is competitive…
2/1 is fair but it will available on the day so no need to take an antepost risk imo
The 2/1 has gone already Joncol.
Harbinger is more likely to start odds-on than 2/1.
Only if it’s very soft ground will he be more than 11/8.
Fame And Glory is a very good horse, but (I believe) rated 9 lbs inferior to Harbinger. Epsom proves he is not that far ahead of the pack compared to Harbinger. Look at how close High Heeled and Youmzain were.
Hope Habinger runs in the Irish Champion. He was cantering all over them 2 out yesterday.
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Odds on about a horse who has only won one group one aged four, and although admittedly brilliant has only showed it once in his life….
Now the world really has gone crazy.
Win one group one and be odds on against multi group one winning proven horses, just crazy…
On soft ground Sariska is capable of beating Harbinger
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When will people stop over reacting to flash in the pan horses.
You need to repeat group one wins to justify being an odds on shot and the layers must be in dream land for these big races.
People over reacted to Workforce’s Derby win
Now people are over reacting to Harbinger’s first ever group one win.
Perhaps Harbinger might be a great horse but he needs to prove it at the top level many times before he can be a realistic odds on shot for an Arc.
Just crazy….
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The 2/1 has gone already Joncol.
Harbinger is more likely to start odds-on than 2/1.
Only if it’s very soft ground will he be more than 11/8.
Fame And Glory is a very good horse, but (I believe) rated 9 lbs inferior to Harbinger. Epsom proves he is not that far ahead of the pack compared to Harbinger. Look at how close High Heeled and Youmzain were.
Hope Habinger runs in the Irish Champion. He was cantering all over them 2 out yesterday.
Harbinger is currently 7/4 with Ladbrokes,Skybet,Sportingbet, not far off 2/1
I think he will be 2/1 on the day as others will put their case forward over the next few monts giving us a competitive market..
When will people stop over reacting to flash in the pan horses.
You need to repeat group one wins to justify being an odds on shot and the layers must be in dream land for these big races.
People over reacted to Workforce’s Derby win
Now people are over reacting to Harbinger’s first ever group one win.
Perhaps Harbinger might be a great horse but he needs to prove it at the top level many times before he can be a realistic odds on shot for an Arc.
Just crazy….
He can only beat what is put in front of him. Harginger is 4 for 4 this year, all convincing wins.
He will be 4/7 on the day of the Arc, and I have to agree that I can see nothing that can touch him on yesterday’s form.Joncol,
You seem to think Workforce was given a similar rating. He wasn’t. 132p (I think) Timeform gave him after the Derby. But that was an excellant rating for a lightly raced unexposed 3 year old with potential to improve. So he didn’t improve at Ascot. So what.Harbinger is 142
Harbinger has proved it, he’s beaten the field senseless in a fantastic time. With the form looking solid. Almost half a second better than the course record on a day where other times were nowhere near it.
As David Frost’s sidekick says "The clues are there".
If you don’t take in to account any improved performance until he’s shown that again; then you won’t be able to handicap any race and pick the value/winners.
Value Is EverythingHarbinger is a wonderful advert for keeping horses in training rather than the modern trend for rushing 3-Y-Olds off to stud with the indecent haste of a trashy Soho pimp.
Lets hope he says in training next season, Arc or no Arc.Harbinger is a wonderful advert for keeping horses in training rather than the modern trend for rushing 3-Y-Olds off to stud with the indecent haste of a trashy Soho pimp.
Lets hope he says in training next season, Arc or no Arc.If Harbinger did that as a 3yo he wouldn’t be within 100 miles of a racecourse this year. And he certainly wont be as a 5yo, now he has a 142 beside his name.
142…seems a crazy rating considering what he’s beaten, but I suppose he has to get it using a lbs per length working out.
What would a standardisation handicapper make of it Prufrock?
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