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He’s still fairly lightly raced so id stick to novice this year, he’ll probable scare of most of the competition so he’ll only face a small ish field maybe leaving his jumping less exposed?
He would be in the Champion if he was mine. It’s not as though he is a spring chicken in relative terms and if he doesn’t win it this year, they can concentrate on a Flat campaign.
Didn’t Golden Cygnet get killed racing out of novice company?
The class he was racing in had nothing to do with his Scottish Champ Hurdle fall, he already had the race in his pocket and was still cantering when he fell
Watch it on you tube if you can bear to, I can’t watch it anymore, far too depressingAccording to Fenton, the horse is fit and in form – he may not be in such good shape 12 months from now.
I’d run him.
I have said all along that Dunguib should run in the Champion Hurdle. I think he’s a special horse.
Philip Fenton, however, thinks the opposite, and it is his prerogative to run the horse in whatever race he so chooses.
I wish it was the CH, as the present odds on him winning the Supreme Novices are certainly less than appealing.
I think his jumping is the only negative, but he has so much natural speed that any disadvantage he has with his jumping is more than negated by the superfluous amount of gears he has.
As for Golden Cygnet – could have been the best of all. He was cantering at Ayr when he fell.
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Two years ago it was inconceivable that a five-year-old might win the Champion Hurdle and now an eight-year-old is considered ‘past it’.
It just doesn’t add up.
Dunguib is a phenomenal talent, is only seven years old and has so few miles on the clock compared to ‘later years’ winners such as Rooster Booster, Hardy Eustace and Brave Inca that risking him outside of novice company in a championship event makes absolutely no sense.
With Solwhit, Medermit and perhaps Hurricane Fly the only likely (appreciable) improvers from this year’s Champion Hurdle field, it seems more logical to test Dunguib against those with the potential to progress to championship class rather than horses he’s already thought capable of beating.
The Champion Hurdle is always an option next year, the Supreme Novices’ Hurdle is not.
Comparing the time taken by Golden Cygnet with the time of the Champion Hurdle at the same meting would be a shade more convincing if the two races had been run over the same distance.
But back then, they weren’t. The Champion Hurdle in 1970’s was run over 2m 1f, the novice race over 2m.
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Normally I’d bow to Alan’s greater knowledge, but I’m fairly certain that the Supreme and the Champion were both run at the 2 mile 200 yard trip. The weights carried would have been different though, with Monksfield carrying twelve stone and Golden Cygnet six pounds less.
Comparing the time taken by Golden Cygnet with the time of the Champion Hurdle at the same meting would be a shade more convincing if the two races had been run over the same distance.
But back then, they weren’t. The Champion Hurdle in 1970’s was run over 2m 1f, the novice race over 2m.
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Normally I’d bow to Alan’s greater knowledge, but I’m fairly certain that the Supreme and the Champion were both run at the 2 mile 200 yard trip. The weights carried would have been different though, with Monksfield carrying twelve stone and Golden Cygnet six pounds less.
That’s how I remember it too, and anyone who doubts just how easy he won should watch the you tube video, the only easier Festival winner I can recall was "Himself"
Normally I’d bow to Alan’s greater knowledge, but I’m fairly certain that the Supreme and the Champion were both run at the 2 mile 200 yard trip.
I think the Champion used to be run over 2 miles 110yds and the Triumph over 2 miles 1 furlong, not sure about the Supreme though.Normally I’d bow to Alan’s greater knowledge, but I’m fairly certain that the Supreme and the Champion were both run at the 2 mile 200 yard trip.
I think the Champion used to be run over 2 miles 110yds and the Triumph over 2 miles 1 furlong, not sure about the Supreme though.The Champion used to be 2 miles 200 yards, then two miles dead, before settling on the current intermediate distance.
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Dunguibs owner and trainer will do whatever is best for the horse. If they were interested in money they could have sold him for a fortune by now. Didn’t Golden Cygnet get killed racing out of novice company?
I agree with this post.
Chasers and Hurdlers 1977/78 shows Golden Cygnet winning over 16F and Monksfield over 17F.
The following is a quote from the 1979/80 annual in the commentary on Sea Pigeon:
"the Champion Hurdle course was shortened by a furlong and there were eight flights of hurdles instead of nine"
Prior to 1980, the Champion Hurdle used to run up the hill past the stands, with a hurdle beyond the winning post, and around the back of the area now ocupied by the Best Mate enclosure. From 1980 onwards, they ran the current track in front of the Best Mate area.
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Lot of people mention the ill fated Golden Cygnet and rightly so.
How Dunguib compares to him at this stage is hard to tell.
They were very different types. Golden Cygnet looked every bit a hurdler and comparing him to Dunguib was like comparing an Eagle to a Swan. Not many would argue when he cruised up to Night Nurse a couple in front of Sea Pigeon at the last in the Scottish Champion hurdle he would have taken the scalps of 2 of the best hurdlers ever seen on a racetrack.
When he beat Bootlaces (Tote Trophy winner) out of sight in the Supreme hands and heels many thought had he run in the Champion Hurdle he would have one it.
Now Dunguib has Get Me Out of Here (Tote Trophy winner) to beat and if he does the same to him as Golden Gygnet did to Bootlaces then perhaps they will be thinking "we should have"
If he was a 4 year old or a 5 year old I would agree. Take all the time in the world. However Dunguib is 7 years old in April and he’ll never get an easier chance than this.
With Wincanton off and no race for Punjabi I wonder how near the 99.99% certain he’ll run in the Supreme the owner still is.
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Dunguibs owner and trainer will do whatever is best for the horse. If they were interested in money they could have sold him for a fortune by now. Didn’t Golden Cygnet get killed racing out of novice company?
I agree with this post.
Why do you agree with that post? Neither of you have seen the race have you?……Golden Cygnet was under no sort of pressure and going well within himself when he fell. He just didn’t take off and that could have happened just as easily in the Supreme as it did at Ayr.
Chasers and Hurdlers 1977/78 shows Golden Cygnet winning over 16F and Monksfield over 17F.
The following is a quote from the 1979/80 annual in the commentary on Sea Pigeon:
"the Champion Hurdle course was shortened by a furlong and there were eight flights of hurdles instead of nine"
Prior to 1980, the Champion Hurdle used to run up the hill past the stands, with a hurdle beyond the winning post, and around the back of the area now ocupied by the Best Mate enclosure. From 1980 onwards, they ran the current track in front of the Best Mate area.
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I’m annoyingly missing the 77/78 annual, but the copies either side of that list the Supreme as being run over 2 miles 200 yards, and to the best of my knowledge, despite tinkering, the two races have always been run over exactly the same course as each other, unless 1978 was simply an aberration. I’ve even checked the records of Mac’s Chariot and Stranfield to be sure, and both are credited with wins at seventeen, rather than sixteen furlongs. Of course, the actual time of Golden Cygnet’s Supreme would be conclusive – I believe Monksfield won the Champion in 4:12.7 secs.
I think the Champion used to be run over 2 miles 110yds and the Triumph over 2 miles 1 furlong, not sure about the Supreme though.
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