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  • #277766
    Avatar photoCheltenhamSpecialist
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    Punchy holds him on hurdles form

    How did you come to that conclusion?! :roll:

    I can’t see how either?

    #277769
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    Mikael still available @ 14/1.

    Have looked at the opposition next week, if he’s half straight he should win.

    Even if you don’t fancy him for the RSA this looks an ideal opportunity to back him now then lay the bet off on betfair at 5/1 or so if he wins well and get a free bet out of it.

    If Mikael runs in The RSA I won’t be having a bet in the race.

    For him to win after all his problems, delays, lack of preperation time and experience there could only be two possible scenarios

    1. Willie Mullins is the finest NH trainer since Vincent O’Brien (I Can’t believe that)
    2. Willie Mullins has been deliberately missleading the entire racing fraternity about his well being (I could believe that, just about :( )

    Under normal circumstances I couldn’t see him get beat
    but there far too many question marks. Even so I couldn’t possibly back Diamond Harry or Weird Al against him just in case Willie is THE KING.
    I wouldn’t back Long Run with stolen money and I’d want to see Punchestown up his(chasing) game before I’d put him level with the other two (Excluding MdH)

    #277770
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    I’m tending to agree with Big Buck’s on this issue, perhaps foolishly. I agree that a case can be made for 7 or 8 runners in this, but I think the case for most of them can be cast aside fairly easily.

    Long Run cannot jump well enough, he just can’t.
    Mikael D’Haguenet’s prep has been messy.
    Diamond Harry looks tired to me & his Newbury run was very disappointing.
    Pandorama is a mud-lark and will be done for pace.
    Weapons Amnesty has come from the Albert Bartlett & Bartlett runners have an appalling record.

    Punchestowns, Weird Al and Burton Point are the 3 that stand out IMO. Punchestowns is too short a price for my liking. We’ll see Burton Point’s credentials tomorrow but Weird Al is a very solid horse who’s answered every question thrown at him. He’s won at the course, he’ll get the trip and he jumps well.

    #277771
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    Punchy holds him on hurdles form

    How did you come to that conclusion?! :roll:

    Okay not through direct form lines but I have him best part of a stone higher on my ratings and whilst I can’t check RP at work I would be suprised if the RPR’s and OR’s didn’t show a similar difference. I never said there wouldn’t be more to come but on what he’s achieved I think it’s a fair comment.

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    Punchestowns is rated 15lbs better than Mikael over hurdles, but Mikael is rated 17lbs better than Punchestowns was as a novice.

    It is difficult to compare their respective formlines. In the World Hurdle Punchestowns was 1 3/4 lengths behind Big Bucks.

    In the Ballymore Mikael was 1 3/4 lengths ahead of Karabak. In the Long Walk Karabak was 3 1/2 lengths behind Big Bucks.

    If you were to put Mikael into the finish of this race, 1 3/4 lengths infront of Karabak, there he is, 1 3/4 lengths behind Big Bucks.

    :lol: I didn’t really know how all that was going to work out! :mrgreen:

    #277779
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    Tricky form lines their. Wait for Mullins Column today….usually he give a update on his big horses

    #277782
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    I’m tending to agree with Big Buck’s on this issue, perhaps foolishly. I agree that a case can be made for 7 or 8 runners in this, but I think the case for most of them can be cast aside fairly easily.

    Long Run cannot jump well enough, he just can’t.

    We agree there

    Mikael D’Haguenet’s prep has been messy.

    If we’ve really been told what’s been happening

    Diamond Harry looks tired to me & his Newbury run was very disappointing.

    I’d say sleepy rather than tired. He’s a far better horse in a bigger field

    Pandorama is a mud-lark and will be done for pace.

    He might well get his ground this year

    Weapons Amnesty has come from the Albert Bartlett & Bartlett runners have an appalling record.

    He’s not for me but that’s a really silly stat to use to put you off if you like the horse

    Punchestowns is too short a price for my liking.

    Agreed again, for what he’s shown over fences anyway

    We’ll see Burton Point’s credentials tomorrow

    I quite fancy him tomorrow but he’ll need to be at least two stone better over fences to beat Diamond Harry on their Haydock Fixed Brush form, that was one of the most impressive wins of the season

    Weird Al is a very solid horse who’s answered every question thrown at him. He’s won at the course, he’ll get the trip and he jumps well.

    Cannot fault him but he’ll need to keep on improving, which I fully expect him to as he’s not a horse that is ever going to win by wide margins

    #278018
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    Fist, get a grip.

    2 horses have a serious chance, the others less serious.

    I’m not sure what part of that you don’t understand. It’s called an opinion.

    fwiw, I called What a Friend and Cooldine as a 2 horse race ages before last year’s race….. OH LOOK what happened there…..

    #278050
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    Man Big Bucks!

    Here, have a biscuit :lol:

    #278067
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    A nice performance from Burton Port. Best priced 33/1 for the RSA reflects his chances, in my opinion. Not the best horse in todays field, but always nice to see a good, honest horse outjump his rivals to win.

    With some talented sorts in the RSA, including the two leading fancies from the same stable, I think Nicky should save him for Aintree.

    Knockara Beau continues to suffer from the handicap called Jan Faltejsek. Smart stayer who, as Mr Down quite rightly pointed out, needs a bit more assistance from the saddle.

    I wonder if connections might be tempted by the four miler. Will surely find a few too good over three miles at Cheltenham.

    #278071
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    The money was far more tasty THM :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    think some people need to man up though, it’s about finding winners not giving every flippin horse a chance :lol: :lol:

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    Punchy holds him on hurdles form

    How did you come to that conclusion?! :roll:

    Because Punchestowns is rated about a stone clear of Mikael??

    #278074
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    lmao!

    #278122
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    A nice performance from Burton Port. Best priced 33/1 for the RSA reflects his chances, in my opinion. Not the best horse in todays field, but always nice to see a good, honest horse outjump his rivals to win.

    With some talented sorts in the RSA, including the two leading fancies from the same stable, I think Nicky should save him for Aintree.

    I disagree I hope he goes to Cheltenham. In terms of winning an RSA Punchestowns has achieved next to nothing over fences and although Long Run appears to have the ability you could not guarantee the clear round. Burton Port jumps and clearly stays well and those two assets could see him in the places. I think the stiffer test at Cheltenham would suit him better than Aintree.

    #278124
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    "Grasshopper" wrote:

    Punchy holds him on hurdles form

    How did you come to that conclusion?! :roll:

    Because Punchestowns is rated about a stone clear of Mikael??

    Surely to God Grassy you believe Mikael has another 10lbs improvement from his novice hurdle form. Look what Punchestown was rated as a novice!

    Ratings aren’t the be all and nd all! :wink:

    #278127
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    Whether he’s capable of improving or not, thehorsesmouth, Punchestowns’s hurdle form is in a different league to Mikael D’Haguenet’s.

    As such the latter is very much held by the former.

    #278128
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    If you use Karabak and Diamond Harry…..Mikael has very little to find

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