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Hang on, there is a sensible middle ground here.
I do not agree with TC’s take. But nor do I think banning for life would be a proportionate penalty for Mr Brisland.
His behaviour was misconduct and his punishment was on the lenient side. But I would not support a life ban.
I suspect he may struggle to attract new owners and staff, which might end up being his real punishment.
CAS, fair enough. My reaction (over reaction to some) to bullies has never changed throughout my long life. They raise a fury in me that’s unmatched, always have done. And take it from me, people like these are full of apologies, but they never change, not at that age; it’s about power and enjoyment, causing then watching the distress of others. Both of them will have been doing it for years, and will carry on doing it.
I hear what you say. It looks like he picked on young women who he knew would not fight back.
Bullies never pick on anyone who is likely to put them on their backsides.
Fair enough steeplechase. Maybe donate some money to charities for victims of bullying as well!? Go on some marches about the unfair treatment these people have received!
No, I wasn’t there. And nor were you. So all things considered I would suggest that you let the relevant people deal with it as it has been and not start wringing your hands and crying foul about the punishment handed out because it doesn’t tally with your perceived form of justice!
Ian. If I was the dad of an 18 year old (boy or girl) who was just starting out in work and who came home in tears then I’d be down to Brysland’s yard and boot his teeth down his throat!
That’s how these things are best dealt with in my book. Everyone learns a lesson this way. My child learns that life can tough and not all people are nice. And Robyn learns that if you speak to people like 5hit you can expect a smack in the mouth! Once his bruises and pride has settled down everyone goes back about their business and gets on with life.
Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion but just a couple of observations on your views TC.
1) What happens when the young person doesn’t have anyone capable of going down to the yard to intervene on their behalf ?
2) If an intervention occurs , as you outline , and results in a criminal conviction e.g. assault , GBH etc., then who will ensure that future instances of bullying are dealt with appropriately ?“Ian. If I was the dad of an 18 year old (boy or girl) who was just starting out in work and who came home in tears then I’d be down to Brysland’s yard and boot his teeth down his throat!”
So, it’s fine by you so long as it’s other people’s kids?
In that case coggy then the staff at the centre of the incident either talk it through with their employee or leave and get another job. The employer then starts to struggle to recruit enough staff and his business goes down the pan because he’s a well know tw@t!
Steeplechase: I haven’t said it’s “fine” have I? I’ve said you’re having a massive over reaction to it advocating he has his licence withdrawn because he’s upset a couple of staff with some fruity language!
TC, it’s not just a bit of fruity language though. The report makes clear it was sustained abusive and aggressive language directed at junior employees over a long period. And that is before we even consider his disregard for their physical welfare.
I don’t think Brisland should lose his entire livelihood over this, but I think you are underplaying the severity of his behaviour. Surely everyone deserves to be treated with respect at work?
I think some deliberate agitation here by Tizaaards.
Anyone who has seen the devastating effects that workplace bullying and abuse can have would surely share some of the anger expressed on this thread and beyond.
It was reported in the recent past (2005) that suicide rates among men in Newmarket were 17 times higher than the national average (following a spate of suicides among men employed in racing).
Things have hopefully improved but cases like the one reported illustrate that a neanderthal approach to management still exists in pockets of the industry.
His license should be suspended and they should both commit to undergoing an education and training programme aimed at modifying their behaviour. Only on successful completion of that programme should the license be reinstated.
Then the BHA should conduct regular yard visits and interviews with staff including the implementation of whistle-blower system specific to those employed there.
They do have a wider whistleblower system in place, not sure how widely publicised it is. If not already in place yards should be compelled by the BHA to have contact numbers widely displayed in the yard and also have displayed prominently on racecourses.“I think some deliberate agitation here by Tizaaards.”
It would be nice if that tolerant interpretation was extended to everyone on the forum without exception.
Actually, I agree – and I find TC an entertaining poster generally, with an often wicked sense of humour, even when I don’t agree with him.
IMO a Clivexx who is actually amusing.
But, wilful agent provocateur or not, I can’t agree with TC here on any level.
That said, at no point have I called for a life ban for Brisland.
The punishment sounds about right to me and I can’t imagine life will be too easy going forwards, as he’s hardly going to be a popular character in the industry any time soon in the short term at the very least.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Ian I haven’t for one minute condoned what Brysland has done/said!
I’ve simply called people out on their bed wetting of the whole thing!
TC, if it was your child you’d go down there and hospitalise the guy. Someone else’s child and we are the ones over reacting? What part of your thought process finds this kind of balance?
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I don’t think TC is playing agent provocateur here. I think he’s expressing what he really thinks judging by past threads about the Bryony Frost bullying case.
Perhaps TC is lucky enough to have a particularly thick skin, and doesn’t realise how harmful even a small amount of verbal abuse can be to many people. Hopefully he will reconsider as there are so many people disagreeing.
“It would be nice if that tolerant interpretation was extended to everyone on the forum without exception.”
I’ve tolerated a lot….
He’s nothing like Clivexx, Clivexx pulled no punches and was direct, there the similarity ends as Clivexx invariably talks sense.
“A kinda Clivexxx who is actually amusing.”
Good old Clive. I expect he is still fuming about men who drink in Wetherspoons.
“Clivexx invariably talks sense.”
In your opinion.
Owner of TRF or not, it’s only your opinion.
I acknowledge what TC says about never having condoned Brisland’s actions but, whatever his motive for calling various contributors to this thread “bedwetters” and “professional moaners” I cannot agree with him on pretty much any level on this one.
That said, I’m not into forum lynch mobs and I too think taking Brisland’s licence away wouldn’t be an appropriate level of action.
He might lose a few owners and find new staff hard to recruit as it is, as individuals have a habit of imposing their own individual sanctions when in a position to do so.
To paraphrase the late, much missed, Mrs Merton: Is this TRF’s most “heated debate” in 2023 so far?
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